Ezekiel's temple

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  1. Corry Cox

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    Ezekiel describes a temple in chapters 40-42. What is this temple? For pre-mill is this the temple the jews will build? Is this the templw in the new Jerusalem? From my understanding it has never been built, so it must be sometime, huh. Just looking for insights.

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    Corry.
    the answer is in Ezekiel 48:35,
    The temple so described in ch 40 is also in the city so described in ch 48.
    When is it? At the culmination of all things when God Himself dwells among men in the new heaven and new earth.

    In His service;
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    If you believe it is future then you must also believe it will be a place of blood sacrifices for sin atonement.
     
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    http://www.templemount.org/ezektmp.html
     
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    there is no third temple last temple is destoryed by roman empire solider in 70 AD i understand clearly of ezekiel 40 through 48 is talking about new heaven and new jersualem at after second coming of christ also rev 21 chapter fit with ezekiel 40-48 2 peter 3:13 too
     
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    So will we be offering blood sacrifices in the New Jerusalem?? Chapter 43 describes offering sin offerings @ the new alter.

    YIC
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    (Considering the rammifications of it being a literal future temple)


    There is a catch-22 for the Ezekiel's Temple being yet future and expressly literal as it is described.

    1) It must be unholy;
    (and therefore could exist; in a unholy use by Satan, the Jews, the Beast, or some other wicked stooge.)

    2) It must be holy;

    It could vary between the two
    (and be in conflict with Ezekiel's writing and NT writing)

    However, for #1 to be true, Ezekiel's temple could not be described as being holy and acceptible to the Lord. (which he does)

    And, for #2 to be true, it would negate Calvary and make it an insufficient, inadequate, lacking act of ultimate sacrifice, offering, and holiness.

    There is simply no way to reconcile the idea that Ezekiel's Temple is to be literally placed anywhere in time following Calvary; and us still hold to the tennants and teachings of New Testament Christianity.

    To make Ezekiel's Temple literal and post-Calvary; can only do so in object conflict and opposition to New Testament Christianity.

    Not by my words; but by the very words of Ezekiel Himself.


    </font>
    • "Ezekiel 41:4 So he measured the length thereof, twenty cubits; and the breadth, twenty cubits, before the temple: and he said unto me, This is the most holy place. "
      This verse states that there will be a place designated as being 'the most holy place' in this temple building. So God will allow to be built; and make holy a temple building during the tribulation?
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    • "Ezekiel 42:13 Then said he unto me, The north chambers and the south chambers, which are before the separate place, they be holy chambers, where the priests that approach unto the LORD shall eat the most holy things: there shall they lay the most holy things, and the meat offering, and the sin offering, and the trespass offering; for the place is holy. "
      This temple is designated by the Lord to contain holy chambers, holy things; and itself to be a holy place. Christ's sacrifice then, must have been inadequate if this is a future holy temple.
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    • "Ezekiel 43:4 "And the glory of the LORD came into the house by the way of the gate whose prospect is toward the east." "
      This verse says 'the glory of the LORD came into the house'. It is impossible for the Lord to give His Glory to an earthly temple building following Calvary.That would belittle and make a mockery of Christ.
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    • "Ezekiel 43:5 So the spirit took me up, and brought me into the inner court; and, behold, the glory of the LORD filled the house."
      Again, it is impossible, in light of Calvary; for the Lord's glory to fill a stone temple building; especially one that some dispensationalists claim will house the endtime Abomination of Desolation suggests during this period.
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    • "Ezekiel 43:24 And thou shalt offer them before the LORD, and the priests shall cast salt upon them, and they shall offer them up for a burnt offering unto the LORD."
      This verse states that burnt offerings will be offered unto the Lord. Was Christ's offering, then insufficient?
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    • "Ezekiel 43:25 Seven days shalt thou prepare every day a goat for a sin offering: they shall also prepare a young bullock, and a ram out of the flock, without blemish. 43:26 Seven days shall they purge the altar and purify it; and they shall consecrate themselves. 43:27 And when these days are expired, it shall be, that upon the eighth day, and so forward, the priests shall make your burnt offerings upon the altar, and your peace offerings; and I will accept you, saith the Lord GOD. "
      These verses say the Lord will accept them, if they offer up peace, sin, and burnt offerings within this Temple. Does anyone really think the Lord will reistitute 'and accept' these types of offerings following Calvary?
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    • "Ezekiel 45:15 And one lamb out of the flock, out of two hundred, out of the fat pastures of Israel; for a meat offering, and for a burnt offering, and for peace offerings, to make reconciliation for them, saith the Lord GOD. "
      Now we find a meat offering, a burnt offering, and a peace offering making reconciliation between them and the LORD GOD. Does anyone really believe something other than Christ will be accepted as making the reconcilliation for sin?</font>

    That is just 8 simple passages between chapters 40-45 that show this supposed temple as being holy and acceptible to the Lord.

    Following calvary; a rebuilt earthly temple could never be a place where animal sacrifices for the reconciliation of sin can occur; as described by Ezekiel.
    Following calvary; a rebuilt earthly temple where God gives it His glory, and makes it be holy; could never occur as described by Ezekiel.

    If it is truthfully a literal representation of a future temple building; acceptible and holy before the LORD as Ezekiel claims it to be;

    There are three alternatives:
    1) Ezekiel's Temple cannot be a future literal temple; and was either intended to be a OT prefigure of Christ and the NT Temple (His body);
    2) Ezekiel's Temple was condition based on the obedience of OT Israel; or was used as the pattern by Ezra and Nehemiah; but never completed to its exacting specifications do to man's folly;
    3) Ezekiel's Temple will be built in the future, in the exact and specific literal manner it is described, and NT Christianity is a lie; and we should all revert to OT Judaism.
     
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    The catch-22 is found only in the mind of anyone who has a “system” of false belief, which can’t be reconciled with LITERAL and true statements of the Holy Scriptures, due to their own misunderstanding of eschatological events through “allegorical and heretical” teaching. Mind games, “suppositional stimuli”, along with false distorted counter thoughts rule in this type of “alleged” exegesis.

    The facts of Ezekiel 40-48 is that it IS a literal temple, which is to be built IN THE FUTURE, which has measurements given, along with geographical land portions, divided among the tribes of Israel. Pretty PLAIN isn't it, folks. The city is CALLED, the LORD is there. It is NOT New Jerusalem, for it doesn’t match its measurements. (Rev.21-22) It's ON THE GROUND, also.

    Satan doesn’t USE this temple, for the LORD IS THERE. (Jer.33) It has to do with IMMANUEL. (Isaiah 7-8) GOD WITH US! When the Lord is there, Satan is CHAINED. (Rev.20) It is NOT a “tribulation” temple. It is a MILLENIAL TEMPLE, which the LORD BUILDS. (Zech.6, Amos 9, Isaiah 16, 60)

    It is very simple to reconcile Ezekiel’s temple with Christianity, as recorded in the Holy Bible, but certainly not with someone’s “mental dementia” through misunderstanding, unbelief, and distortion. Ezekiel’s temple will be BUILT for the nation of Israel, along with Gentile nations who will come to it. It has NOTHING to do with biblical Christianity, unless one has made the FALSE ASSUMPTION that the body of Christ IS the nation of Israel. That would be a ghastly mistake AFTER Paul identified BOTH as different. (See Rom.9-11)

    The verses of question are incompetent doubletalk and foolishness. This temple is NOT a tribulation temple. (See the one in Isaiah 66:6. It is.)

    Supposition of Christ’s inadequacy of sacrifice doesn’t NEGATE the words of the text. It certainly does not take into account the TEACHINGS of the Lord Jesus in Matt.5 either! (Those teachings concern the KINGDOM, which is to come! LEAVE THE GIFT AT THE ALTAR!)
    According to Ezekiel, Isaiah (60:7, 13) Zechariah (6:13), Haggai (2:7), and several more, the GLORY OF THE LORD is associated with a house built AFTER Calvary.

    I am a dispensationalist, and I am unaware of any pretribulationist which teaches that Ezekiel’s temple is the temple of the tribulation. Clarence Larkin speaks for the majority and he marks it millenial in Dispensational Truth.

    Burnt offerings will certainly be offered up in the millennium in a temple, according to several prophets. See Isaiah 56 referenced by the Lord Jesus, along with 60:7, Zechariah 14, Mal.3. In fact, they were STILL being offered after Calvary by the CHURCH AT JERUSALEM. (See James in Acts 21) It didn't bother Paul, and it certainly doesn't bother me.

    Yes, I believe what the Bible states, which is that the Lord ACCEPTS “offerings” during the millenium. See Isaiah 56:8.

    Yes, I believe what the Bible states, which is that RECONCILIATION is made THROUGH OFFERINGS as stated by Ezekiel. The RELATIVE question is to WHOM and WHEN does it occur, along with, Why would anyone call Ezekiel a “liar”?

    Ezekiel was not the ONLY ONE who stated those things. There were several prophets.

    The alternatives are devoid of sanity, spirituality, and sound doctrine.

    1. That is “allegorical” teaching of the scriptures which came from Philo and Origen of Alexandria. It reeks of heresy.
    2. Suppositional without any corroboration of truth biblically.
    3. The “carnal reasoning” of a babe, the “false teaching” of an apostate, or the Satanic teaching of a reprobate, who thinks that Israel is the BODY OF CHRIST.

    The key to the dilemma is Pauline dispensationalism.
     
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    [​IMG] Thank you, carlaimpinge, for your excellent post. Agree.

    This was in the link I posted above, but no one bothered to look at it and see:

    I do hope you will stick around. There is way too much "allegorizing" going on in these threads about prophecy. [​IMG]

    You should see what is posted about the two witnesses slain in the streets of Jerusalem, for instance.

    Not to mention the Great Tribulation and the present Nation of Israel. :rolleyes:

    Not to mention Clarence Larkin. He's been called nearly everything on this board by some.

    I do hope you'll stick around. [​IMG]
     
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    I am a futurists and despise the idiocy of Larkin. Sorry Sheeagle9/11, but he is a moron. Stop believing morons.
     
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    Man, what a way to talk about the REILLUMINATION of biblical truth by the Holy Spirit!?

    The "idiocy" of Clarence Larkin turns out to be the BIBLICAL BASIS of Pauline dispensationalism, which is the SOUND DOCTRINE that "any" futurist applies. (Darby and Scofield "visualized" it, but Larkin PUT IT IN PICTURES where the "common man" could see it, study it, assimilate and digest it, believe it, and TEACH it.) It was REILLUMINATION by the Holy Spirit for a bible believing-studying Christianity at the time. Ole Larkin was a "draftsman" EQUIPPED by God to do WHAT HE DID at the time. Well, I'll be. The Lord still works, while some thinks he went to sleep.

    No one, as far as I know, has ever COUNTERED, NEGATED, or REFUTED by book the SCRIPTURAL DOCTRINES found in Larkin's 176 page book. Now that's not to say that EVERYTHING in his book is correct. My conversative estimate would be that 94% of it is "biblical truth". That's a good grade for any student, as LARKIN was.
     
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    For those who don't know what a "futurist" believes: (I didn't)

    http://www.teachinghearts.org/dre17hdan01.html

    I still don't know what a futurist believes. Unless it is God is disinterested.

    PS: carlaimpinge, Darby and Scofield are mocked around here. :(
     
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    If I understand the teachings of pre-mill eschatology their will be no sin during the millenial reign of our Lord. If I understand that correctly, which may be a big if, why would there be sin offerings? Also, if our Lord died once, for all sin why would we, as believers, ever offer sin sacrifices? I could understand other offerings but why the sin??

    YIC

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    Corry,

    There will be natural people on earth DURING THE MILLENIUM, in which, the SIN NATURE is still within them. The Satanic influence and the world system of allurement will be under wraps due to the presence of the Lord, and there will be a rod of iron in righteousness and justice being meted out. (See Matthew 5-7, Rev.19) There will STILL be rebellion though during that time among natural people. (Isaiah 26, Zech.14, Rev.20) This is the final dispensation, in which God deals with mankind, proving that EVEN without Satan and the world, he is no good HIMSELF.

    The sin offerings deal with a memorial concerning the nation of Israel, along with Gentiles who sacrifice during that time also, as verses previously given in this thread. Sacrifices of animals have NEVER taken away sin. See Hebrews. They were ADHERED to in COMPLIANCE of what God said TO DO testifying to your faith. The same will be subscribed to during the millenium as STATED by the prophets.

    We, as the body of Christ, do not offer sacrifices, and have never been instructed to do so. Paul's epistles to the body of Christ reference that fact. The LAW, concerning feasts, holydays, sabbaths, etc. is not relative to us. (Col.2) It does apply to the FUTURE though. (Isaiah 66)

    There are MORE members to the family of God in heaven and earth than just the body of Christ. That's where some make their mistake. They relate that ALL THE SAVED throughout time are the body. That's falsehood and heretical. Paul's doctrinal teaching is not the STANDARD for the whole household. (See Heb.12:22-23 for some more of the members of the family) His teachings are EXCLUSIVELY for the body of Christ.

    Hope this helps. Hey I note that you're from Alabama. So am I. Montgomery.

    Lord bless you.

    In Christ Jesus,
    Carl
     
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    Sheeagle, all premill theologs are futurists. It just means that we believe the vast majority of prophecy is still future, hence the name.

    Champaign, no one cares to refute Larking for the same reason no one cares to refute Hagee and Van Impe. No one cares.

    Anyway, I am a dispensationalist. I just hate the hijacking that the Sheeagle types have done. Left field is an outfield position in baseball and where looney dispies are. Come out from among them Sheeagle9/11.
     
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    Ladyeagle,

    Thank you for your kind words. I see what you mean about these mockers of Larkin.

    They probably couldn't read him correctly anyway, due to their idiotic dyslexia and ignorance in confounding educational scriptural textbooks with "evangelical pulp fiction".

    In Christ Jesus,
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    What is the purpose of this future Millennial temple?
     
  18. Daniel David

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    Are you suggesting that God spent so much time in excrutiating detail about something that will never exist? Nice.

    The sacrifices that are offered are not redemptive or any kind of atonement. They are there to remember the once for all sacrifice of God's son. Sort of like the Lord's supper today.
     
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    Dan wrote of a future Ezekiel Temple:
    However, Ezekiel wrote of the temple he described:

    Nowhere does Ezekiel 40-48's temple mention any memorial being done in rememberance of Christ's sacrifice, nor is there any specific or literal mention of God's Son found in Ezekiel 40-48.

    ....only sin offerings of the blood of animals for the reconciliation of the sins of the people.
     
  20. Dave Taylor

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    Dan,
    Do you believe that after the 2nd Coming; Jewish believers will stop partaking of the Lord's Supper; and Gentile believers will continue to partake of the Lord's Supper?

    Or will the Lord's Supper be abandoned by both, and repalced by a return to animal sacrifices of bulls and goats instead?
     

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