Fact Checking Bill Clinton's Speech

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  1. LadyEagle

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    The Facts are Interesting. Checking on history, and remembering that I voted for Bill Clinton and the economy seemed pretty good under his watch, I submit the following:

    OMITTED FROM THE CLINTON SPEECH:

    First of all, under most of the Clinton administration, Republicans controlled both the House and the Senate. Bill Clinton realized he was going to have to reach across the aisle if he were to get anything done, unlike the present occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

    ALSO OMITTED FROM THE CLINTON SPEECH (and I hold Democrats & Republicans responsible for this shame):

    Under Bill Clinton, American jobs started to overseas - Newt Gingrich, Speaker of the House at the time, worked with Bill Clinton to pass NAFTA and that was the beginning of the end for American jobs. (Newt has nothing to brag about, IMO.)

    Then, towards the end of the Clinton administration, in 1999....

    Source:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Presidency_of_Bill_Clinton#Supreme_Court_appointments

    NOW FACT CHECKING BILL CLINTON'S SPEECH:

    A fine mess you left us, Ollie.

    Also, for the newcoming voters who are too young to remember, Bill Clinton LIED TO AMERICA when he wagged his finger at us in the TV screen (I will always remember this because it was the very day we buried my father.) Bill Clinton was impeached for not obeying the Rule of Law and committing perjury (which we would be in jail for if we tried that, no doubt) and Bill Clinton was Impeached by the House but not removed from office by the Senate.

    Also, it is notable that the Democrats were the ones who pushed for the dream that everyone own a house, whether or not they could afford it and pressured banks to make risky home loans to minorities and others so they could feel good about "helping" everyone own a home. The banks were pressured to make these risky loans, with careless lending practices like not requiring 20% down, not verifying employment or incomes, and more - and as a result, we got the housing bubble that burst and millions of foreclosures. I would just like to remind people, especially those who have lost their homes or who are under water in their mortgages where your home is not worth what is owed on it - that it was under Bill Clinton and the Democratic Party that pushed for this and unfortunately, careless and for the most part, RINO Republicans went along with this. (Fortunately, the election of 2010 eliminated some of those RINOs and replaced them with TEA party candidates - those who are more fiscally responsible.)

    Well, that is for the record. As a point of fact, I did like Bill Clinton and I did vote for him. And during his Presidency, the economy seemed pretty good and small businesses prospered. Unfortunately, by the end of his term, as you can see from above, the house of cards was ready to fall when GW Bush was sworn in. GW Bush and the Republicans do not escape blame for some of this, however. But with the replacement of fiscally responsible Republicans in the House 2010 and hopefully the same in 2012 in the Senate and a Romney-Ryan win, with a now $16 TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT, things can be reset in Washington DC.

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  2. OldRegular

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    Seriously LE is there any point in fact checking Clinton. He is a congenital liar. If he told the truth it would be accidental!
     
  3. LadyEagle

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    Very true, but some people don't believe that - it is helpful to point out a few pesky facts, lol.
     
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    You criticize Obama for rightfully recognizing the mess his predecessor left, but want to pin Dubya's failures on his predecessor. Amazing.
     
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    Last night I was watching something far more important-- a football game. But I've read enough idolatry of Slick Willie and his speech that I've started responding, "If he was that good, then write him in on your ballot instead of punching/x'ing Obama.
     
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    The one that bugged me was selectively setting the endpoints of a statistic to make your case look better than it actually is. Just pick a spot where the numbers line up to 'prove' your point.

    The claim about manufacturing jobs: "More than 500,000 manufacturing jobs have been created under President Obama. That's the first time manufacturing jobs have increased since the 1990s."

    The facts: Clinton is referring to the period since February 2010, the administration's preferred date for counting employment figures. The usual methodology is to count from the beginning of a President's term. If you count from the beginning of Obama's term Bureau of Labor Statistics data show that manufacturing jobs have declined by more than 500,000. Manufacturing jobs have been on a long steep decline since the middle of Clinton's term, with 2 million jobs lost during the recession that started at the end of George W. Bush's term.
     
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    This fact check is not about the manufacturing jobs that Obama has created, the subject of your link is about total number of jobs created under Democratic presidents and Republican presidents.

    Did you actually read the article or just knee-jerk post it?
     
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    This has to be a rhetorical question...

    Because the answer is painfully obvious. :laugh:
     

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