We all know Eph 2:8 and 9 So lets spare eachother the quoting of it. Ain't any of us going to change our mind, but if you want to be correct believe like I do. Now that we got that out of the way, here is the deal. The following verses are found in I Cor. They are different. What I would like is a healthy decussion but it would be nice to stay as far away form endliss quotes of others. Fine a small short one but not endless paragraps of Tom, Dick and Harrys view on the subject. You do your own work and if you must quote limit it to a one or two sintenses. I Cor 2:5. that your faith should not be in the wisdom of men but in the power of God. I Cor 15:14. And if Christ is not risen, then our preaching is vain and your faith is also vain. 15. Yes, and we are found false witnesses of God, because we have testified of God that He raised up Christ, whom He did not raise up if in fact the dead do not rise. 16. For if the dead do not rise, then Christ is not risen. 17. And if Christ is not risen, your faith is futile; you are still in your sins!