False Church or True Church with a Little Error?

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  1. Tom Butler

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    In the thread Why are You A Baptist?, donnA answered this way:
    Which led me to this question: Do you believe the churches donnA mentioned are false churches? Or true churches which are just wrong on some issues?

    Maybe the broader question is, what error disqualifies a group from being a New Testament Church?
     
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    any church that teaches baptism washes away sins and you aren't saved unless your baptized is a false church, this isn't error it's out right lies. any church that teaches you have to do enough work to go to heaven isn't in error, it's lying. any church who baptizes babies and says they are going to heaven now isn't teaching error it's teaching lies.
    now lies may suit you, but they do not suit us. we want a biblical church, not one where all you do is get baptized and you go to heaven, or if you are saved and baptized and don't speak in tongues you can't go to heaven. we want truth in a church.
    I feel for those who defend lies and prefer that.
     
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    and by the way, you misrepresented my quote, you called it a false church I did not use that phrase. please read my quote correctly next time.
     
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    Churches are imperfect human-created institutions. There's no such thing as a perfect church, and no such thing as an error free church. If a church adheres to the core scriptural doctrine (virgin birth, divinity of Christ, triuine Godhead, etc), then that church is a NT church.
     
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    Here is the website for the imperfect church !

    It is an actual church, I used to attend there years ago!
     
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    An excerpt from an email dialog I had with a Methodist friend a few years back, who had inquired of me about “Hardshellism”.

    And that's the way I see it. The more truth, or inversely, the less error the church carries, the more benefit the sheep wil derive from the preaching of the gospel.
     
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    That is right. Paul makes it clear.

    Gal 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you, let him be accursed.



    If it doesn't line up with the teachings of the apostles, it is false doctrine and a church that teaches false doctrine is a false church.



    And it is non-negotiable.

    Jud 1:3 Beloved, when I gave all diligence to write unto you of the common salvation, it was needful for me to write unto you, and exhort [you] that ye should earnestly contend for the faith which was once delivered unto the saints.
     
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    Some evangelical churches do have different theological views on such things as baptism and communion. How are they false churches and teaching lies when they too can support their viewpoints with scripture?

    For example, the Reformed, Presbyterian and Anglican churches. They simply follow covenant theology! I am not saying I agree with their theology, but they do have a theological, hence, biblical, basis for what they teach.

    They believe we are incorrect in our theology, but they don't deny that we are a " N.T. church".

    Cheers,

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    Maybe this thread will help define the difference between a False Church or True Church with a Little Error?

    Is a Baptist gospel more apt to 'truly save' one than a Methodist one, or Pentecostal, or COG, etc?

    Are Baptists 'more saved' than others?

    Wasn't Timothy already 'saved' when Paul wrote to him?

    Maybe 'being saved' in this time world is an ongoing and personal thing, and not just a 'one time event'.

     
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    I'm only quoting the Bible. If any doctrine goes against what the apostles taught, it's wrong. Simple.
     
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    Wish it was that simple!

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
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    What if good hearted, God fearing folks believe that which is not in line with what the apostles taught? Are they bound for hell on account of that? How much error does it take to send them to hell?
     
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    The warning by Paul is not to individuals who have been deceived, but it is to those who teach false doctrine. This thread is about churches that are teaching false doctrine. The warning is clear. I did not write it. Your argument is with Paul and God.
     
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    Amy, I'm not attacking you, just playing the devil's advocate.

    Do you or others consider a false church one that sends folks to hell because of their false doctrines? Is that what defines a false church?

    Do these false churches have sincere folks who sincerely love the Lord and believe they're on their way to heaven, but who are actually on their way to hell, all because they believe this church's false teaching? Because they haven't got 'the formula' for eternal life just exactly correct?

    Is carrying the correct formula for eternal life that which defines a true church?
     
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    What if a church believed in salvation by grace apart from any works, but believed in sprinkling after salvation, would they be a false church?

    I don't know of any church or inidividual (apart from Jesus, of course) who is without error or any kind of false teaching. So how much false teaching does it take to make a church a false church? For example, I believe in a pre-trib rapture, but there are some mighty good Bible teachers and churches that believe differently. Does that make them a false teacher? I don't think so.

    You have mentioned a few non-negotiables, but I might add a few more. Others here would add their non-negotiables which might be different from yours or mine.

    My point is that the only church I am responsible for in being a true church is the one I pastor. Once we start making a list and checking it twice, :tongue3: we're going to narrow down our list of 'true' churches to just the one we go to individually.
     
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    Mat 16:18 And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

    The church is a God ordained institution. Period
     
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    I ask again:

    Do you consider a false church one that sends folks to hell because of their false doctrines? Is that what defines a false church?

    Is carrying the correct formula for eternal life that which defines a true church?
     
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    The Bible defines what false teachings are. They are any teachings contrary to that of the apostles and written scripture. If you don't know what correct doctrine is, read the Bible.
     
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    Which led me to this question: Do you believe the churches donnA mentioned are false churches? Or true churches which are just wrong on some issues?
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    No these people are ignorant (uninformed). If they are called and the Holy Spirit convicts them and they respond then they are saved. There will be people in Heaven who are Sovereign Grace and those who are Freewillers and a whole lot who don't know the differance.
     
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    If a church teaches and promotes a doctrine contrary to that of Paul, then it is a false church. Why is that so hard to understand? What does the Bible say? That is the standard to measure your doctrine. The Roman Catholic church is a good example of a false church because of the false doctrine it teaches.
     

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