False religion from hell: islam

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  1. C.S. Murphy

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    I made the following statement in another forum and was criticized for not being a peacemaker. I posted it not in an attack of any muslim but due to some baptists who wanted to use this board to promote the good teachings of the koran. As much as it is politically correct to embrace all, islam is false religion. If their religion is to be accepted then ours must be false and I have no desire to allow this filth to be shown in a positive light. Please share your view on this situation. Here is my statement:

    It is our right to dissagree but when many here seem to take a stance which denounces the problems of some christians while defending the false religion from hell which is called islam, it makes one seriously worry about their views.

    The Squire has pointed out that the only thing wrong with the statement is that satan who fathers it does not yet reside in hell. I know where he will reside throughout eternity. What does the old Johnny Cash song say "I fell in to a burning ring of fire"

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    Brother Murphy!

    Visited my brother in Ruston, Louisiana this weekend--he encouraged me to get back into the doctoral program I was in before our mom passed away!! Please pray for me--as I consider re-entering--I ain't much of a formal writer--but anyway--down to the business of this thread--

    Man, my hat goes off to you and your thoughts on islam--I, myself answered the poll on the other thread just a while ago---do we study Islam??

    I'm with you, brother! Jesus said that we "shall know the TRUTH and the TRUTH shall make you free." My job as a Southern Baptist preacher is to study the truth of scripture we know as the Holy Bible. My job as a believer of the Lord Jesus Christ is to study the truth of His word from Genesis to Revelation. The best way to spot a counterfeit--is to know the real thing with every ounce of our fiber and spiritual being!!

    Studying Islam is a waste of time and spiritual energy. It is sort of like going from studying "rocket" propulsion(Jesus' word from Genesis to Revelation) to studying "rubber band wind up airplanes"(Islam)

    Your friend,
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  3. Helen

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    Murph, one does not try to make peace with evil. Peace at any cost sacrifices truth and integrity. Islam is a religion, to be sure, but based on a lie instead of the truth, thus leading men and women to hell.

    In the meantime it not only supports, but commands the murder of innocent people all over the world. Not standing up against it and calling it what it is, is suppressing the truth and aiding and abetting the enemy.

    How's that for a lack of diplomacy? :D

    edit: however I still understand the need for President Bush to be a mite more diplomatic than I am...

    [ November 16, 2002, 09:25 PM: Message edited by: Helen ]
     
  4. donnA

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    Islam is a false religion, and should be called such by christians, we can not sway the truth of scripture just because someone might not like it. If that someone is a christian they need to get in line with scripture themselves.
     
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    In teaching the philosophy of religion, studying the various religions of the world was my job. Having studied the Koran, and related history, I am convinced it is evil from the beginning. It is the only world religion that permits killing the infidel.

    Muslims who immigrate to the western world adapt to western thinking to some degree and give the appearance of being peace-loving and integrated. It is a false front.

    I have been corresponding with a man in Pakistan. He has become a Christian, but has told no one for fear that his family will kill him. Now, that is some peace-loving religion! I finally convinced him to pass a note on to one of the Christians outside the meeting place and meet with them in a secret place. I am waiting to hear the outcome. Fear is the key; ignorance is the other.

    Wasn't that the way of Romanism for many years? Keep the people poor and ignorant, and gain control for centuries. We saw that in Quebec, and it thrives in South America. Islam does the same.

    This is not to say that we do not love the people and do all we can to bring them to a knowledge of the Lord Jesus Christ.

    Cheers,

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    Any time I have made a posting that dispells some misconceptions abut Islam, they are deleted or edited by the moderator(s). I can only onclude that it is the purpose of this board to promote only one view of Islam.
     
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    I don't know anything about anything being deleted, what I do know is Islam is a false religion, there is no defense of a religion that denys Jesus. The bottom line, and even Jesus said it, His question was, 'Who do men say that I am?' and He still asks that same question today, what is your answer, if someones(Islam) answer is different then the Bible answer it is a false religion, no sympathy, no pity.
     
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    I have recently started looking at the claims of Islam and we are going through a four week study at church on it. The main reason is to know what they believe so that we can be better witnesses to them. That being said, I could never defend the Islamic position. I think that to defend Islam and to make it appear to be compatible with Christianity is extremely dangerous and misleading. In the parts of the Koran that I have read so far Mohammad made sure people understand that Islam is the ONLY true religion. Why should we as Christians do any less when we have the truth? However, I asked the poll in another thread to see how knowledgable we are of the beliefs of Islam. I feel there is some importance to know what they believe so that we can witness to them and give them the truth.

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    Whil we are all on this subject, I would like to ask all of your opinions on something. It seems that the purpose of this whole war with Iraq and the middle east is to get rid of Sadaam, Osama, and other radical men of terror and replace them with a more moderate form of Islam with the intention of a instilling a more democratic form of government. I think this is all a big waste of time, money and lives. Why? For the simple reason that the Islamic faith is not conducive to freedom or democracy. Do you really think that Islam will produce the same results and freedom that we enjoy in the USA?
    Why do you think that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the United States? They want to enjoy the freedom and democracy that their own religion will not give them in the countries in which they came from. There beliefs only produce violence, hunger, oppression, and intolerance of anybody elses way of thinking.
     
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    Neal, we did a 4 weeks study a few months ago also, wonder if it's the same one? I don't remember the name of this one, I think it was something like the cresent and the cross, not sure. It was so sad,and at one point I even cried becasue of what they were saying and they believe.
     
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    Why do you think that Islam is the fastest growing religion in the United States? They want to enjoy the freedom and democracy that their own religion will not give them in the countries in which they came from.

    Yes, and we American Christians have an obligation to protect their right to pracice their faith freely, which is what this country was founded upon.
     
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    And tell me, what if them practicing their faith freely means you or I are killed for not being Muslim?
     
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    My concern with a war in Iraq is, when and if, Saddam Hussein is removed, who will take his place? Who will then control the efforts of Iran, Saudi Arabia and other Islamic states? Saddam Hussein is presently a controlling factor in that region. We just may be in for more than we bargain for by waging war in Iraq......My opinion, not wishing to interfere with American politics.

    Cheers,

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    Katie,

    That is the one we are doing, The Cross and the Crescent. I would agree with you that it is sad. We watched the part tonight about assurance of salvation and it is sad/scary to see that they all (on the video) said they had no assurance of whether they would have mercy from God or not. I am also embarking on my own study of their faith to understand some of the basics, in the hopes of being better equipped to witness to them.

    Neal

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    Rather than getting so out-of-joint over Islam, everytime I see or hear them praying to the moon god allah, I think - "There is someone that is 100% lost and hell bound."

    No "Good" or "Let 'em burn". That spirit stopped on 9.12 Now I genuinely feel sorry for them so lost in their sins and deceived worse, perhaps, than any other false religion.

    We should never lose sight of souls going into a Christless eternity.
     
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    http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/meast/11/16/alqaeda.threat.ap/index.html
     
  17. C.S. Murphy

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    John as far as I am concerned there is only one view and that is islam is a false religion from hell. Do you honestly dissagree? I am not bashing anyone but on this Baptist site we should promote the Bible not the koran.
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    Murph, Amen! [​IMG]
     
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    I don't think John is promoting Islam. He is simply pointing out that all Muslims do not share the vicious hatred that has become the modern face of Islam to the West.

    Some American Muslims have begun to understand that the Motherland has fewer and fewer relevant answers to modern problems.

    Michael Wolfe, "The Moment That American Islam Grew Up," Beliefnet

    http://www.beliefnet.com/frameset.asp?pageLoc=/story/116/story_11622_1.html&boardID=47725

    On the flip side, Wolfe sees a bright future for Islam in the United States:

    Islam: The Next American Religion? http://www.beliefnet.com/frameset.asp?pageLoc=/story/69/story_6982_1.html&boardID=12198
     
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    Michael Wolfe, "The Moment That American Islam Grew Up," Beliefnet

    http://www.beliefnet.com/frameset.asp?pageLoc=/story/116/story_11622_1.html&boardID=4 7725

    On the flip side, Wolfe sees a bright future for Islam in the United States:

    Islam: The Next American Religion? http://www.beliefnet.com/frameset.asp?pageLoc=/story/69/story_6982_1.html&boardID=12198
    </font>[/QUOTE]Hello rsr (and Johnv),

    The problem is that it does not matter what some Muslims do or do not embrace regarding the violence of Islam. The problem is that Islam and its "holy" book, the Quran, teaches, "The infidel shall die by the sword" and "Slay them where you find them." These are instructions from the Quran to the followers of Islam to kill all those who do not submit to the will of Allah. You cannot get around the fact that the Quran teaches these things. The Quran may well teach the followers of Islam to be peaceful (among other Muslims) and to tolerate "people of the book" (meaning Jews, Christians, and Zorasters), but if a follower of one of these three religions attempts to share his faith with a Muslim the toleration goes out the window and Jihad begins.

    Likewise, Islam teaches an extreme monotheism and rejects traditional Christian Trinitarian Monotheism. Therefore, Muslims reject salvation in Jesus Christ the Son of God. They are lost and we are commanded to share the Gospel with them. When one attacks the claims of Islam they are not attacking individual Muslims. You can defend your Muslim friend as a nice, peaceful, loving guy. However, you can not defend Islam as a nice, peaceful, loving religion. No one here is saying that all Muslims are hateful evil terrorist type people. We are saying that the religion of Islam is an evil world religion that rejects God the Father, Jesus Christ the Son, and the Holy Spirit.
     

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