First Dec. 25 Christmas tied to pagan shrine

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  1. moondg

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    The church where the tradition of celebrating Christmas on Dec. 25 may have begun was built near a pagan shrine as part of an effort to spread Christianity, a leading Italian scholar says.
    Italian archaeologists last month unveiled an underground grotto that they believe ancient Romans revered as the place where a wolf nursed Rome's legendary founder Romulus and his twin brother Remus.
    A few feet from the grotto, or "Lupercale," the Emperor Constantine built the Basilica of St. Anastasia, where some believe Christmas was first celebrated on Dec. 25.
    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20071223...s&printer=1;_ylt=AmvQw9hVEw68jEbNQ9rse8ZbbBAF

    Does anyone if this is accurate?
     
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    Somebody must have untied it, because December 25 has been running loose in the world for a long time.
     
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    Moon - read your trailer;
    act appropriately :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    Thanks :laugh:
     
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    This location

    http://www.timeanddate.com/weather/west-bank/bethlehem

    predicts a low Christmas Eve of 38ºF
    and for Christmas Day 58ºF.

    The wind will be 7MPH from the NorthWest.
    The Humidity will be 35%

    Yes, there will be shepherds out
    in their fields keeping watch by
    night on Monday (24 Dec 2007) night.

    God gave every Sheep a Wool Coat,
    you know.

    Meanwhile, it is 39 degrees outside wind 5MPH
    humidity 65% - so it is cooler here than it will be
    during the night after Christmas Eve
    (supposed to get down to 25ºF tonight in OK)
    I had short arm coverings - I was alright for 15-min.
    If I had a wool coat, I'd be fine to sleep
    the night IF IT WOULD BE A LOW of 38.

    Come on, on 25 Dec 0001BC there was no
    need to pack the sheep into an indoor place when
    there is no fear of a freeze nor rain -- and
    usually such a place didn't exist.

    On the 8th day, A Hebrew male is to be circumscized
    to show he was a real human: a Hebrew.

    IMHO Jesus was born on 25 Dec 0001BC:

    25 Dec 0001BC - day 1
    26 Dec 0001BC - day 2
    27 Dec 0001BC - day 3
    28 Dec 0001BC - day 4
    29 Dec 0001BC - day 5
    30 Dec 0001BC - day 6
    31 Dec 0001BC - day 7
    01 Jan AD0001 - day 8

    Thus Messiah Yeshua was born on 01 Jan AD001:
    the very first day of the era named for Him:
    AD = Anno Dommino - Year of our Lord.
    On 01 Jan AD001 Yeshua Ben Yoseph of Nazereth
    was made not only a Hebrew (real Person) but
    also was destined (chosen) to be the Savior
    of All Hebrews and Many, Many of us goy/gentiles.
     
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    I am sorry you have lost me I do not know what you are talking about. I am not talking about when Christ was born. I am talking about when they first celebrated his birthday on Dec. 25th I do not care if he was born in the spring or not. What matters to me is He died and rose for me.
     
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    Maybe you don't understand you can start a topic but you can't
    control what idiots say on it???
     
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    Paganized Christians?

    Here is another strawman--with a wool coat.

    Confronting pagan idolatry in family tradition can be a disowning endeavor. Been there, done that. Some will give up their kin rather than their idols. Jesus said that would happen--if we follow Him.

    Confronting pagan idolatry in our religion can get us martyred(witness=martyr) as an heretic; sometimes just exiled without a wool coat in the dead of winter, in the Alps. We live in an age of toleration--so long as you do not preach the truth. The world hates the truth, so do the religions of the world.

    Jesus said, "I will never leave you nor forsake you".

    Jesus is faithful.


    Have a happy...Saturnalia?

    Selah,

    Bro. James
     
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    Good point

    Using your meteorologic data, can we surmise anything about global warming in 1-BCE? Was anyone gathering data about termite gas contributing to the amount of CO2 at the global level?

    The real issue here is quite serious: most of us think our traditions are scriptural.

    Selah,

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    I first got into the '25 Dec' isn't the birthday of Jesus
    discussion on-line in 1986 (21 years) .
    So I checked it every year. Seven (7) of those years was
    the temp Christmas Even night (or early Christmas
    morning) was under 40ºF (including 2007).
    That means the odds are now days that
    6 of 7 years one will find sheep out in the field.

    While Alaska has it's 'three dog night' (a night when
    one needs three sled dogs to keep warm);
    Yisrael has it's 'three sheep night' (a night when
    one needs three sheep to keep warm).





     
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    Not to me.

    Red is for the Blood that Jesus shed on my Behalf.

    Green is for the New Life in Christ.

    MERRY CHRISTMAS!
     
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    The Holiday Symbols are what one makes of them.

    Col 2:16-17 (Geneva Bible, 1599 Edition):
    Let no man therefore condemne
    you in meate and drinke,
    or in respect of an holy day,
    or of the newe moone,
    or of the Sabbath dayes,
    17 Which are but
    a shadowe of thinges to come:
    but the body is in Christ.

    Bless the Lord oh my Soul
    and everything that is within me
    Bless His Holy Name!

    My Family & I shall Worship our God
    (100% saved Family Members: Myself,
    my Wife and Two live-in Grandchildren:
    a boy-16, a girl-10 --Praise the Lord!)
    on 24 & 25 Dec 2007 by giving on-another
    gifts because 2,007 years ago God gave
    the best ever (both eternity past to
    eternity fortward)gift, the Spotless Lamb:
    Messiah Yeshua (Jesus) Ben Yoseph (
    Carpenter of Nazereth),
    Ben King David (Beth-leem, Iuda), Ben Iuda, Ben Yisrael;
    Carpenter of Nazereth.
     
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    I guess you did not read all the posts I said it did not matter. I just thought it was interesting. Sorry if I ruffled someones feathers.

    Christ is the biggest part of Christmas.
     
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    Amen, MoonDG -- Preach it! :thumbs:

    and a Merry Merry Christmas to your house
    from my house.
     

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