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It is a flag. Do you "dislike" it?

To most who would have that flag (of your generation) it represents the South and a "southern lifestyle." To some, who have the flag, it represents racism. But you consider it the "confederate flag" then it represents a history and I don't know that it falls into a category of "like vs. dislike." I like it as it embodies a spirit of dissension towards the dictatorship of our federal government (but I also realize that states have sold their right to self govern for a price). I suppose today some racists would view the flag itself as racism, while some who are opposed to the SSM ruling would view it as a movement in opposition to a federal dictatorship. But for the most part, I believe, it means to those who display the flag a southern heritage and lifestyle.

Do you believe that Aaron should remove the icon because you don't like it, or because it may mean something to you that it doesn't to him? Does what it symbolizes to you trump what it symbolizes to him?

 

That is an interesting comparison. I have nothing against WOTM’s method of using the Ten Commandments to explain sin and our need for a Savior, but I actually don’t like the WOTM logo. It is, in my opinion, an affront to Christianity and “packaging Christ” for an agenda. Even if WOTM reflected the method Jesus used (which it does not) that should not be taken as endorsement for the program. The logo ignores factors that separate us from 1st Century Judaism. I find such marketing offensive. Until now, I did not realize that others were expected to submit to my sensitivities. Are others are obligated to remove the logo from public display?

 

I have. It offers some good points but ultimately has too much error to be useful (at least it has too many errors, misrepresentations of Scripture, and flawed theology to be useful in a church setting). Ray Comfort exceeded his calling on that one. More to the point: I don't like the use of Jesus Christ as their logo or mascot for their agenda/method. I have also seen vegetarians do the same ("Jesus wouldn't eat meat"). There is a difference between suggesting people consider what Jesus would do in a situation and telling them that WOTM is what Jesus did in evangelism (partly because it is not). But, my question remains. If I find the logo offensive, should you change it?


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:wavey: Thanks. I've been here since 2001 and it pleases me that I finally posted something that made sense. :smilewinkgrin:

 

Thank you Rippon. I have learned from you, even when we have disagreed (perhaps more so at those times). We've had strong disagreements, but I believe that we also shared a mutual respect for each other as brothers in Christ. This is something, unfortunately, I have never witnessed with Evan's interactions on this forum.

Evan,

The book is very easily understood and Ray Comfort makes his case clear. I, just like you, understand what the book is teaching. It is not that I do not like Ray Comfort, and (as I have said before) I believe that God is using Him for the Kingdom. Comfort brings out truths of a redeemed life in that Christians are not stillborn, they bear fruit and are saved to good works. Comfort also offers an approach for those who find evangelism difficult. There is much to admire about Ray Comfort, but the book, “What Did Jesus Do?” is not one of them. I fear that your admiration has become a type of hero worship. You have demonstrated a mentality that seeks not only the approval of men but also men to follow. Whether this is a spiritual, social, or cognitive issue, I do not know. But it is something of which you need to be aware, and I am not sure that you recognize this trait in yourself. When we first started interacting, over a year ago, your personal hero was John MacArthur. I don’t know if you still consider Dr. MacArthur trustworthy (as he, and others at Grace Community, shares the same concerns as I about Living Waters, Ray Comfort, and TWOTM). But at one time you offered MacArthur as others offered Scripture. I believe you are doing the same here. You need to take care that your idolization of the WOTM program does not become a form of idolatry.

At some point I will go back through the book for you (if you would like), and I’ll even look at broader comments that may help, and post it on another thread. It is important that we examine the doctrine men place before us. I do not claim to corner the truth, but I do adamantly claim to be and remain submissive in my understanding and learning to the Word of God. I admire and read many authors, but none are above reproof.
Please allow Scripture to shape your theology instead of the reverse.