FORUM DESIGNED TO PROMOTE KJVO

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  1. skanwmatos

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    THIS FORUM IS DESIGNED TO PROMOTE KJVO BY PREVENTING THE POSTING OF ANYTHING THAT WILL DISABUSE THE KJVOS OF THEIR ERROR.

    THE MEANS USED MY THE FORUM FUHRERS IS TO NOT ALLOW EDITING OF POSTS TO INCLUDED NEEDED MATERIAL, AND TO DELETE THAT MATERIAL WITH NO WAY TO RETRIEVE IT WHEN THE EDIT TIME RUNS OUT.

    IF SATAN DESIGNED A FORUM TO SPREAD ERROR HE COULD NOT HAVE DONE A BETTER JOB THAN THE BBB FUHRERS DID!
     
  2. Dr. Bob

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    Skan - you have come a long way since joining in the discussion. Don't blow it by impertinence over some tech issues (over which WE have no control).

    Move on. Ask Dr C how he posted Greek words on the BB. We may not have all the bells and whistles you think we should. Give a "link" rather than cut and paste (and have it not work).
     
  3. HankD

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    Skan, you and I have had our disagreements but I value your knowledge and ability.

    We need your skills and tenacity.

    Remain cool? [​IMG]

    HankD
     
  4. Gayla

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    How can you read in this forum and come to that conclusion??
     
  5. skanwmatos

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    The people in charge of the Forum are going to have to do their part too.

    1. Fix the software glitch which allows you to open the edit window but does not allow you to post the edited material, and, instead, deletes it in such a way that it is unrecoverable. That is just plain STUPID!

    2. Get over their anal-retentive obsession with themselves. If people want to edit their posts they should be allowed to do so. After all, the posts are, according to USC 17, the intellectual property of the poster and for the Webmaster/Moderators to usurp control over that intellectual property may be a violation of USC 17.

    3. Don't blame the software. It is the Webmaster/Moderators who make the decisions on what to allow and what not to allow. INFOPOP is very flexible and the edit function has been set by the Webmaster/Moderators to do what it does. It is their problem. They should fix it. If they refuse to fix it they compound their error.
     
  6. Phillip

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    Skan,
    For once in all of our posts we now enter an area which I have some expertise (finally haha)....

    The software is limited to the BB software provided by Info-Pop and is only limited to certain capabilities. It is a combination of both server-side (runs on the BB server) which handles small scripts that are passed to your computer to handle.

    The ONE issue of "editing" time-out is discussed below in a later paragraph.

    I do not know the exact problem you are referring to. If it is a problem of loosing material that is transferred because of a glitch in the internet, that is beyond the control of the Baptist Board. The information was lost before it made it to the board to process; therefore we have to blame the internet provider, or Bill Gates (if the problem is a lock-up in your computer). The software that runs the board is also quite complex and therefore glitches will occur.

    You may also be having problems by using "fonts" that exist on your machine. These fonts are not transferred over the internet and through the system. Only ascii text is sent through the system using special codes to use the correct fonts on the far end. This may or may not occur properly if the other person does not have the correct fonts loaded. This is the reason a lot of boards that teach Greek and other languages actually use "pictures" to show the language so that the image gets to the other end correctly.

    Finally, on number two, you HAVE entered an area where I am an expert. I work for several litigation attorneys in the Intellectual Property arena of law and I can say that the courts would probably side on the BBS on this issue. By posting, you have "in essence" provided permission to the board to use, edit, delete, change or basically do whatever they want to. It is no longer your intellectual property when passed to a bulletin board. In fact, it becomes their intellectual property to do with as they please. You still have "essentially it would be the same as shop-rights for a patent" to use your posted material, but you cannot stop the board from using or even selling material that has been posted on their board unless they specifically "contract that out" of their rights in the legal disclaimer portion of the board.

    Intellectual property must be maintained and protected by the person who writes it. Once you have posted it on a bulletin board, then you have transferred ownership (of at least what you have posted).

    In other words, YOU POST, knowing the rules of editing of the board. I personally, have been frustrated at the editing time limit, but I fully understand it because there have been people in the past who have abused the board by attacking people and then editing the attack off of the board after they are turned in making the other person look bad. Knowing this, I always highlight and copy into memory what I write BEFORE I push the "Add Reply" or "Edit" buttons. If it times out, I can then repaste it in another post.

    I'm not trying to upset anyone here, but I do want to explain that Intellectual Property does change hands when posted on the board. There is not a court in the world that would side with a poster who complained they wanted to "take back" what they posted. By the way United States Title 17 covers copyright law, but it is administered by the USPTO which has their own set of rules (allowed for by Title 17) so this becomes "agency law" not just "federal law".

    This explaination is simply to let posters (all posters) be aware of the rules of the USPTO and understand that when they post in somebody elses sand-box, they have to follow the rules of "that sand-box", or go find their own sand-box to play in.

    I'm not trying to be insulting or pick on any individual, this is for everybody and I am simply pointing out the way case-law has been determined on Bulletin board services.

    By posting, your Intellectual rights are transferred. If you do not want the board to own those rights, then be careful what you post.

    [ April 16, 2004, 01:51 PM: Message edited by: Phillip ]
     
  7. skanwmatos

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    Nope. The length of time allowed to edit is set by the webmaster and is not a set function of Infopop software. The fact that you can open the edit window within the time limit set by the webmaster but if it times out while the window is open and deletes the material may be a problem with Infopop's software. But the webmaster sets the time. Infopop does not require any time to be set. Many boards running Infopop software have not restrictions at all on editing.
    That is a big "probably."
    I disagree.
    Nope. Publication, regardless of the medium, does not negate intellectual property rights.
    The rules do not state that the edit time limit can expire while the edit window is open, nor do they state that all material will be lost if the time limit expires while the edit window is open.

    Regardless of all of the above, it is a serious problem and needs to be fixed.
     
  8. USN2Pulpit

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    This doesn't seem like the kind of thing that should be causing bitterness. Seems like "small potatoes" to me.
     
  9. Phillip

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    Nope. The length of time allowed to edit is set by the webmaster and is not a set function of Infopop software. The fact that you can open the edit window within the time limit set by the webmaster but if it times out while the window is open and deletes the material may be a problem with Infopop's software. But the webmaster sets the time. Infopop does not require any time to be set. Many boards running Infopop software have not restrictions at all on editing.
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    Yes, I agree with this. The Infopop software DOES allow setting the "editing" time. This is the option of the "board-owner".

    That is a big "probably." [/quote]
    Actually, we are in the middle of several cases involving this subject and it is a VERY SMALL "probably". In fact, it is not really a probably at all. I'll explain more below.

    I disagree. [/quote]
    That is your right, but I will answer you as you answer those who disagree with you. You are only showing your ignorance of the Copyright Code of the United States and also the Code of the state in which the server resides.
    Nope. Publication, regardless of the medium, does not negate intellectual property rights. [/b][/quote]

    You are correct, in a way. It does NOT negate YOUR intellectual property rights as far as other people are concerned. But, you have also given those rights to the board on which you posted. You ARE right from the point that I can only quote certain portions of what you place on the board, but you are wrong that the board does not have the same ownership of what you have given them.

    I have been working Intellectual Law far too long to be wrong on this issue.

    This may be compared to a radio station that is taking calls to put on the air. If a person calls a particular number and the station has said that what they say will be used on the air or any other way they choose, then if you call that number (whether or not YOU know it) the station "owns" what you say.

    This is even MORE plain when posting on a bulletin board. If you were to print an entire book in a post on this board, you could not stop the board from using it in any manner they want to. Which includes selling that information, or using the posts in their advertising.

    Now, You are right from the point that "I" as an outsider can't just steal from the board and repost it on MY site. I can post partial quotes by the "fair copyright law".

    You are indeed protected by the copyright laws because you "published" it on the BBS, but unless the BBS has clear and defined rules on their website stating they do not have rights with that property, you are essentially providing them with the rights afforded anybody else who publishes on that bulletin board.

    The rules do not state that the edit time limit can expire while the edit window is open, nor do they state that all material will be lost if the time limit expires while the edit window is open.

    Regardless of all of the above, it is a serious problem and needs to be fixed. [/b][/QUOTE]
    The rules do not have to state a time limit, in fact, they do not have to allow editing at all if they do not wish. Now, you may "feel" this is not right, but it is the option of the board owners. [​IMG]
     
  10. Phillip

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    See, I'm frustrated because I can't get the quote functions to work the way "I" think they ought to; but I do not expect the board owners to rewrite their software so that it works for me. ;)
     
  11. Phillip

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    Oh, let me also explain the "edit" function and time delay. Being that this is "server-side" software, the software has no idea that you still have the edit window open on your computer. This may be a weakness of Infopop's software, but it just works that way. YOU take the risk of opening an edit window and letting it go past the edit time limit. Your computer does NOT talk back to the board, until you hit the enter button, if the time has expired, then it is the software's fault, not that of the board owner.

    This is why I ALWAYS highlight and copy into memory an "edit" window before posting it. Since it is running "server-side" then your browser only knows to run the software code in its address box; that is the reason you cannot hit the "back" button and retrieve it. Because that page is dynamic html produced by the "software" that runs on the BBS server not downloaded "html" which would be stored on your browser.

    If this were not the case, you could pull up the "edit" window, leave it open for three weeks and then edit your post, thereby getting around the time limit.

    The time-limit is an issue between you and the owners of the board. But, like I said, it is their "play-pen" and if they want to limit the edit time, it is their choice.
     
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    History: We had NO time limit on changing/editing posts. Sadly, people abused them by going back and changing their posts and then denying they said "blah, blah, blah".

    So time limits were tested and they finally have been stabilized - very short. You post and have about a minute to read and make changes.

    Any more than that and we run right back into the post-and-change mentality that we must avoid.
     
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    One minite is jus' abot enough time to corect my sp'llin misteaks but not enouf time to corect my thinkin' misteaks. :rolleyes:

    Clocks runnin' when opinions are posted,
    Think before you post.
    Think twice, post once.

    Rob
     
  14. Phillip

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    Good point Rob, in fact people need to learn to use the "Preview Post" function instead of replying and then editing. I, too, am guilty of posting and then editing. It just seems easier. [​IMG]
     
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    Sometimes, you can use your browser back button and 'recover' the post.

    I think we often want to get into the mix so fast that we don't take time to read what we have written in a preview.

    Or maybe that is just me [​IMG]
     
  16. Phillip

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    That's just you.....I would NEVER post something I didn't review. :rolleyes:

    If you believe that I've got some beach-front property here I want to talk to you about. LOL
     
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    Any discussion of changes of this nature should be addressed to the Webmaster. He is the only one who can make these types of changes.

    I would suggest that one have the same excellent spirit that Daniel displayed to the Prince of the Eunuchs when he appealed to him. One tends to gain more ground in this fashion than by using phrases such as, "This is stupid," and attacking those who have every right to operate this forum as they please.

    In addition, to claim that this Forum was "designed to promote KJVO" is simply ludicrous and laughable.

    [ April 17, 2004, 10:19 AM: Message edited by: Pastor_Bob ]
     
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    I've had to learn to use the "Preview Post" feature more often. It has no time limit. Usually, when I post w/o reviewing, I see some blunder I've made with punctuation or UBB codz & I can generally edit them within the time limit.

    I've found out that by previewing a lengthy post, I manage to catch MOST of my silly mistakes. I certainly can edit the body of the work at my leisure. The preview Post feature is a real friend to me!
     
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    "You catch more flies with honey than you do with vinegar."
     
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    And your purpose for catching flies is :confused:
     

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