Fox = Rudy G's shill?

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  1. Ivon Denosovich

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    I was taken aback with this Best of the Web entry from the WSJ. The first line forthrightly states:

    (Bolding mine.) The article the Journal links to is a piece from the conservative National Review which states:

    So, the WSJ admits it leans towards Rudy, the WSJ's owner puffs him, and now Accuracy in Media states:

    (Bolding mine.)

    (Bolding mine.) Does it strike anyone as odd that Fox News, by default, is officially a "client" of Giuliani?

    Plus, we also have Sean Hannity raising thousands in cash for Giuliani here. And as the New York Times notes "In Fox News, Giuliani Finds a Friendly Stage":

    And even more telling:

    (Bolding mine.) This becomes even more meaningful because:

    The scenario becomes even more scandalous when Fox carried water with "John McCain Wins First GOP Debate, but MSNBC Shows Anti-Giuliani Bias.".

    And it isn't just we Paulites that perceive the deck stacked against us:

    Mitt bloggers note: "Honestly watching Fox news alot, it has come clear to me that they are bias for Rudy."

    A Huckabee blogger notes: "Fox News Shows Bias Against Mike Huckabee."

    And there are numerous Thompson people on line making the same allegation that Fox is biased. Shouldn't Fox (in the interest of objectivity) relieve itself of hosting any more debates?
     
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    Sure.

    As long as the equally biased CNN, MSNBC,ABC,NBC,CBS do too.
     
  3. Ivon Denosovich

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    You make a good point, carpro, about the prevalence of media bias, but I'm unaware of:

    1) Any of those companies' parent company serving as a client to a candidate

    2) The owners of those companies publicly endorsing a candidate

    3) Prominent personalities of those companies hosting fund rasiers for a candidate

    4) Any of those companies dedicating 25% more coverage for the leading candidate over the second tier rival

    5) A two-decade buisness relationship similar to that of Fox President Roger Ailes and Giuliani

    ETA: Fox seems to be taking media bias to the extreme and not, as they say, eliminating bias from news coverage. Compared to Fox's flagrant cheerleading for Rudy, the liberal media is starting to look like the fair & balanced one.
     
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    Bias is bias. Trying to quantify it is an exercise in futility.
     
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    Or an exercise in research. To date, it is not demonstrable (that I've seen) that any of the aforementioned, excluding Fox, are pushing a particular candidate. Regardless, in accordance with your first post, do you think the media should be entirely removed from hosting debates? (I don't *think* I would be opposed to that so long as the govt wasn't regulating free speach and the companies volitionally backed off-- which obviously won't happen.)

    Btw, calling other media companies "equally" biased is a matter of quantifying. Hence, the itemized response.
     
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    At this point in the primaries, the corrupt old media is primarily pushing the liberal agenda along with keeping superstar Hillary front and center as well as enhancing the rock star status of Obama. They virtually ignore all the Republican candidates.

    After democrats select their candidate, then they will gear their support to that individual candidate.

    Bias is bias. Fox is no better, and certainly no worse, than the rest of the corrupt old media. What's good for the goose...
     
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    I'm not trying to be argumentative (Promise!!! :saint: ) but I haven't seen any evidence of the media ignoring, virtually or otherwise, any of the main players from either party.
     
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    http://www.mediaresearch.org/realitycheck/2007/fax20071107.asp

    Excerpts

    A new Media Research Center study of the ABC, CBS and NBC morning news shows has found that in the first 10 months of 2007, the networks spent more time covering the Democratic race and spent far more time interviewing the Democratic candidates than the Republicans.
    ...MRC analysts studied all 797 campaign stories that aired on NBC’s Today, ABC’s Good Morning America and CBS’s The Early Show from January 1 through October 31. Key findings:

    All three networks spent more time covering the Democrats’ nomination race than the contest for the GOP nomination. Overall, 431 out of the total 797 campaign segments (54%) focused on the Democrats, compared to 247 (31%) devoted to the Republicans. The remaining 119 stories (15%) either dealt with both parties about equally, or dealt with a nonpartisan campaign topic, such as the growing use of YouTube by all candidates.

    Of the three morning shows, ABC’s Good Morning America was the most tilted, airing 167 Democratic stories (59%), vs. 83 about the Republicans (29%). CBS’s Early Show and NBC’s Today were nearly identical in emphasizing Democrats in just over half of all campaign stories (51% on NBC, 52% on CBS), with the GOP featured in less than one-third of stories (32%) on each show. (See chart.)


    In addition to tallying the airtime each campaign received, MRC analysts also analyzed the questions posed by the network hosts. While most of the questions were about campaign strategy or the candidates’ personal attributes, 191 were policy-oriented questions that could be categorized as reflecting a liberal or conservative view.
    An even-handed approach would be to confront candidates of both parties with the best arguments of their opponents. But regardless of whether their guests were Democrats or Republicans, network reporters proposed questions reflecting largely liberal agenda. Of the 137 agenda questions posed to Democrats, 72 percent reflected liberal priorities, as were 80 percent of the 54 agenda questions posed to Republicans. (See chart.)
     
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    Wow! That is alarming. Thanks for the info, carpro. At least we both agree that all of the media (including Fox) is extremely biased.

    So... what should be done about the media hosting debates?
     
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    I'm not sure who could be trusted. I'll have to think on it.

    Maybe something like having well known biased conservative pundits ask all the questions at the democrats debate and vice versa.

    Only 2 rules.
    #1 all questions must actually be answered.
    #2 Refer to rule #1

    That would spin their tops.:laugh:
     
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    Why isn't Bill Richardson's experience even mentioned ? I had to look him up, to find out he was an actual governor, and that should put him head & shoulders above any other democrat on the ticket.
     
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    I pretty much watch Fox News 95% of the time and I watch every day. I personally have NO interest in seeing Rudy elected. I like Fox News and I have not seen any favortism towards Rudy. Since I don't like Rudy I would think that I would notice a bias in favor of him. I don't.

    God Bless! :thumbs:
     
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    I'm not arguing your point, and you are correct about his qualifications; however, he is such a poor speaker, it is difficult to listen to him for very long.

    I would also say that this should not matter, but in today's America it does.
     
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    Is Hillary a good speaker ? I don't think so.

    I guess since Britney Spears sells more records than Ricky Skaggs, I would say you are correct. America is pretty stupid in choosing whom to fawn over.
     
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    I would say Dennis Kucinich is a good speaker, and I know I'm getting a straight answer from him. I think he's a commie nut, but he is a good speaker.
     
  16. Ivon Denosovich

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    That's a good question. I've wondered the same myself. Word is, he wants to be Hillary's Veep. But you know how rumors are.
     

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