From Slavery to the White House. Wow, What a Turnaround, What a Country!

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  1. righteousdude2

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    I may be in error, but I believe that America is probably the first country [in the West] to elect a black President. I don't see this happening in the EU, Australia, New Zealand, Canada, or any other predominantly white nation founded by whites.

    America needs to be congratulated for showing the way to the free world, once again! Now, America, and especially President Obama need to keep in mind that the world is watching. If black citizens in other predominately white nations are to break through the ageless color barrior and elect a black leader, it will happen only if this experiment of hope and change truly works out for our overall good.

    I hope Obama succeeds. Those non-blacks that voted for Obama, took a great leap of faith, and should he not succeed, each and everyone that are dancing in the streets today, will have history to answer to. My question is: Will they be as willing to step up and take any blame for his failures. Truly, Obama's failures will be on their shoulders.

    I guess we'll have to see. Still, I hope he makes it, because I too much invested in this country to see his failures and shortcomings bring us down.

    Shalom,

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    1) I agree.

    2) I disagree, and his successes won't be on my shoulders, either. I am not the one making the decisions. I voted for George W. Bush twice and his failures are not on my shoulders, nor his successes.
     
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    So ... it was about race after all! We didn't need a black - or half-black - President. We needed a conservative President.
     
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    I disagree with the premise of the thread title. BHO is of Kenyan descent. His father and that entire side of his family are native Kenyans. They were never slaves associated with the slave trade in America. Most black Americans that trace their family heritage back to ancestors involved in the American slave trade are of west African descent. Kenya is in east Africa and its people were not as exposed to the western colonial slave trade (if at all) as were the peoples of west Africa.
     
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    Let's Look At That Thought Again

    I think most blacks would disagree with you. Why not ask a few of your black friends and see if they agree.
     
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    They can disagree with me all they want. However, historical facts are historical facts and my Kenyan friends are where I got the information from to begin with. Members of BHO's Kenyan father's family were never slaves in the American slave trade. So please explain how BHO being elected President has anything to do with "from slavery to the White House?"

    Now, is it significant that the US has elected its first black President? Yes, that is a historical landmark. Does this give the descendants of former American slaves something to be proud about? Yes, of course. However, it is wrong to attempt to directly tie BHO to the old American slave trade.
     
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    To the contrary, I hope he doesn't succeed. If he does this country will be just like all the other western societies, on the downhill slide to socialism, complete moral relativism, and ultimately anti Christian.:tear: :tear: :tear: By the way Obama has yet to take the blame for any of his failures, particularly concerning his long association with terrorists and Marxists.
     
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    I Respectfully Submit This....

    Ken, we've disagreed on several things, but, I submit this to you to ponder. And I don't mean to be judgmental just because I know you voted for Obama.

    However, I submit that because Obama supports abortion, and does not support providing medical assistance to fetuses that live after a botched partial-birth abortion, that makes him an abortionist. He may not do the actual abortion, but, he is as guilty as the person who does, because he supports the act. Thus, everyone who supports a pro-abortion leader, is guilty as well. The only way to absolve oneself of this guilt is to repent, and never support abortion again!!!!!

    I know you will vehemently disagree with me, and I don't really want to get into a "posting" contest with you. IMHO, because you voted for that Obama, you are supporting everything he stands for, therefore, you hsare his guilt. The ballot did not leave you a place to note that while you voted for Obama you didn't vote for his pro-abortion stand. When you voted for him, you voted for what you knew he supported and believed in, and that includes his pro-stand on homosexuality. SORRY, Ken, but you got the entire package. That was your choice.

    As a Bush supporter, I am guilty of anything that I knew he stood for prior to my voting for him. Had I disagreed with ANY of his stands, I should never have voted for him. If I had prior knowledge that he'd be doing the very thing I opposed, I should have voted for the other person, or not voted for anyone for president.

    This is not "above my pay-grade" and it is not above yours, Ken. An abortionist is nothing more than a BABY KILLER. Any one who supports a pro-abortion politician can not say they didn't know, and that makes them responsible for their actions in regard to abortion while they are in office.

    Disagree all you want my brother. I understand why you disagree, but, the blood of every fetus is on your hands. Pilot tried to wash his hands of the decision to crucify Jesus. And while Pilot didn't pound one nail into the hands or feet of Jesus, Pilot issued the death warrant, and that made him just as guilty, as those who carried out the execution. Your vote carries tremendous responsibility my friend, that's why they say "vote responsibly."

    Peace to you!

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    Yes...

    That is your right. But, I ask, is that what Jesus would want? He is leading our nation, and all he does affects each of us, so I am praying for his success, as it could mean negative for all of us. Of course, that IMHO!!!!
     
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    Great point Bible-boy! Of course certain segments of society will make the most of Pastor Paul's premise.
     
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    Jesus would want the slaughter of the innocents to stop and they will not if Obama appoints any Supreme Court Justices!:tear: :tear: :tear: :tear: I have yet to understand how a "true believer" could support the slaughter of the unborn. Even the pagans had higher respect for life [Hippocratic Oath].
     
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    The GOP has done nothing to stop abortions over the last 30 years, other than use the issue as a talking point to get voters support during elections.
     
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    To pray for your leaders is what Jesus told us to do

    I am not committing a sin by praying for my leaders. Look how blood thirsty the Romans were, and we were told to render to Ceasar what is Ceasar's, and to pray for our leaders.

    My prayers are not prayers of support, but prayers for God to guide them so they don't make the country worse than it already is. If this is wrong show me, I am open to change.
     
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    I think it's very important that we pray for Obama!! If God can change the heart of a man who murders Christians for a living into a man who wrote half the New Testament, then it is possible that God could change the heart of Obama into a great President.
     
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    Great Point

    I am thoroughly disappointed in Bush for not putting an end to abortion, however, he was moving to that point in the appointment of Justices. He just made things so bad that he had to know that Republicans couldn't WIN this 2008 race. And now, all his appointments will be in vain. He did great in protecting this nation from further terrorist acts, while he failed at just about everything else he promised us 8 years ago.

    And I promise you this: Obama will fail too, and those who voted for him hoping a check would be in the mail, will not vote for him in 4 years when that check never gets to them.
     
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    Did I say anything either for or against praying for our elected leaders? No. In fact I was one of the first to express just how right it is to pray for BHO in the thread about the death of his grandmother. The Bible commands us to pray for our leaders. All I am saying is that BHO has no connection to the old American slave trade. Therefore, it is wrong to say, "From slavery to the White House."
     
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    Sorry, this is a false premise also. Take a look at the thread by AndyT regarding this issue. If you want to debate the topic do so there.
     
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    I did not accuse you.

    Sorry if you thought i accused you of the prayer thing. I was addressing the other response [from another person]. So sorry you think I came agaisnt you BB.:wavey:
     
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    No problem. I thought you were indirectly addressing me because you quoted a poster who agreed with what I was saying about BHO not being directly tied to the old American slave trade.

    Hey, if Jesus could forgive me, wretch that I am, and endure the cup of God's wrath and the cross for my sake, who am I not to be willing to forgive?:jesus:
     
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    So unless you agree, as far as you are aware, with 100% of a candidate's positions you don't vote for him/her?
     

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