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Fundamental or Independant?

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by GulliverBarb, Feb 5, 2004.

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  1. GulliverBarb

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    What is the difference between these two Baptists?
     
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    Welcome to the board from Ireland - [​IMG]

    I would say there is no difference, but rather they are complementary.

    I call myself Independent, not part of any denomination

    Fundamental - holding to some Bible fundamentals (this is where the disagreement might come, what are these fundamentals?)
     
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  3. Dr. Bob

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    Any Baptist church may be called "independent", as long as it is not a part of a state/national convention, association, etc

    But for a Baptist church to be called "fundamental", they must adhere to the historic "fundamentals of the faith" -</font>
    • Inspiration of the Bible (original Greek, NOT an English translation)</font>
    • Virgin Birth</font>
    • Sinless Life and Atoning Death of Jesus</font>
    • Bodily Resurrection and Ascension</font>
    • Second Coming of Jesus to rule and reign</font>
    Historic fundamentalists added a de facto item - willing to FIGHT and CONTEND for the faith (listed above).

    Today, most fundamentalists BELIEVE the list, but don't want to CONTEND for it. Or they add to it (like KJVonly, legalistic do's and don'ts, pre-trib rapture and claim them to be "fundamentals").

    Hope this helps. Hey, introduce yourself to us!
     
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    There are churches that to be independent, but just try and get a pastoral position in one of them if you come from even a conservative Bible believeing denomination on the outside. They stick together like glue. In fact I told one of them that it would be easier for him to come into the SBC than it would be for me to come their way. I know I tried. In fact I became good friends with one of the pastors and he told me that he didn't know how to help me. So he suggested a denomination that is easy to enter that is different. So much for independent.
     
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  5. MissAbbyIFBaptist

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    Well I'm both. Independant and fundamental. I supose you could have one without the other, but why would you?
    ~Miss Abby
    Proverbs 31:30 KJB [​IMG]
     
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  6. GulliverBarb

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    Thank you for everyones help.
    My husband and I are new. "baby christians" we've been at an Independent Baptist for almost two years now. It's a very young church 3 yrs. and has a small congregation. We have been very involved however and very much enjoy this church. Due to unforseen circumstances we have to leave them for a few months and we need to find another church. Only 2 other baptist churches in our area. One is a Fundamental Baptist which is the parent church of ours and the other is a first Baptist. We don't know what to do? So I guess we will attend both to see which we prefer for the time being.
     
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  7. Plain Old Bill

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    Dr. Bob has it correct. However there are some of these independant fundamental Baptist Churches that add much to thier version of fundamentalism such as:
    KJV onlyism
    women no pants
    no tv
    no movies
    no this and no that
    highly into legalism but vehementaly deny it.
    and a bunch of other stuff
     
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    As you listen to people talk they will tell you what they are all about by the way they speak of others. The things they judge in others is true about them. See if the people judge or give grace. Does their God judge or is He rich in mercy? Will you grow in grace or condemnation if you attend that church.
     
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  9. At His Feet

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    Nothing! hopefully they are all sinners saved by grace.

    i heard a song once, it said this

    it is not what's over the door
    it is what is in your heart.
     
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  10. Squire Robertsson

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    On the other hand, I believe what's over the door should reflect what's in the heart of the congregation. Mind you, that would cause some churchs to have 1st Church of the Agnostic on their signage. But, there is such a concept as truth in advertising.
     
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    I agree. But even in the scripture it talks about the weed patch in churches. In Rev. it talks about seven churches. Thye are all churches but each very different. Just imagine if the real Christians living for Jesus were to stand alone. My personal opinion is that the number would be around ten percent or lower who are really trusing God.

    Sometime read about John Welsey and how many times he was kicked out of churches. He was not sweet enough.

    Look at Jonathan Edwards and how he was kicked out of his church because he said things they didn't want to hear. Let's face it the length of tenure of a prophet is usually short lived. But if there is ever a time we need it, it is now.

    Think about how we measure the success of pastors today. Nickels and noses, not how passionate they are about God. It's a battlefield not a recreation room.
     
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  12. At His Feet

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    Bro, if you notice those were individual churches in Asia(refering to the location)Rev 1:11 the church names were the name of the town or country people or the townor country those were not denominations. even though they didn't adhere to the teachings they were all taught the same teachings.
     
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  13. tinytim

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    Well I'm fundamental but not independent. I'm just where I am because God is using me there. Where I serve Him is up to him.
     
    #13 tinytim, Apr 6, 2004
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