Fundamentalist's Scholars

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  1. Rhetorician

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    To whom it may concern:

    I want to declare on the front end that I am involved in a "Twelve Step Program" for recovering Fundamentalists.:smilewinkgrin: (Just a joke, don't get all hot and bothered!!).

    But I would seek some real information concerning "Fundamentalist's Scholarship," scholarship at Fundamentalists colleges, and scholarship at Fundamentalists seminaries or grad schools of religion (and I doubt many would meet this criteria?).

    Is there any scholarship coming out of any of the institutions or from renown Fundamentalist scholars who might be cited, quoted, or considered from any other than Fundamentalist's research?

    I am not talking particularly about writing and research in "Fundamentalist" proper or "the history of Fundamentalism," or such.

    Is there any New Testament studies, Old Testament studies, Greek, Hebrew, Semitics, Church History, Theology, et al?

    I mean by this, what would hold up to real scholarship that might be taken seriously by say scholars at The Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, Gordon-Conwell, TEDS, Fuller, or others of the evangelical world.

    I know some will retort, "why would we even want those other schools or 'libersl' to consider us anyway?" To make sure you are doing real scholarship is the reason. Real scholarship can be done in the light of the noon day sun with no fears. I am really asking because I truly want to know.

    It seems to me that if Fundamentalist scholars are just talking "at one another" then that seems counter intuitive and counter productive for the "movement?" does it not?

    Let me have it, tell me something, if you can? I know I have opened myself up for recrimination here, but I think I can take it!!?? :tongue3: This is the place for you "fightin' fundamentalists" to have a go at me!!!

    That is all!

    sdg
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  2. jaigner

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    Blessings, friend. I am in a similar recovery movement.

    There is very little scholarship among fundamentalists to begin with, since they have never had any use for all that there book learnin' outside of your small Bible "college" or "institute."

    Though they are not quite as anti-intellectual as they once were, you will not find any fundamentalist scholarship that is respected by a broader evangelical base.
     
  3. Mexdeaf

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    I beg to differ. Wouldn't BJU or Maranatha of WI be considered as Fundamental schools that turn out scholars? Liberty? Maybe my understanding of what qualifies as 'scholarship' is lacking.
     
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    I am not a fundamentalist and I find there is a lack of scholarship in fundamentalistic circles. I, however, would see some fundamentalistic scholars.

    First, Dr. D.A. Waite. He is a fundamentalist (KJV only) but is a recognized scholar in New Testament Greek from Dallas Theological Seminary. There are a myriad of issues in which we disagree, but I respect him.

    Dr. Boreland from Liberty University. He was on the translation committee for the New King James Version of the Bible (I believe he was the chairman, but I could be wrong) and has served on the board of the Evangelical Theological Society. I believe he would consider himself a fundamentalist but is also a respected scholar.

    Dr. Paige Patterson has considered himself a fundamentalist and he is a scholar.

    I agree that Fundamentalism, in general, lacks scholarship, but there are a few out there.
     
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    Ambassador Bible College with the Rev Dr Ron Comfort.....just ask him (LOL)
     
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    For purposes of this discussion we need to define scholarship, don't we?

    Here is a website that may help:

    outreach.uconn.edu/info/definitions.doc
     
  7. Dr. Bob

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    Dr Doug MacLachlan, former President of Central Baptist Theological Seminary wrote "Recovering Authentic Fundamentalism" a worthwhile read.

    Dr Ernest Pickering, President of the Seminary before Doug wrote "Biblical Separation", another must read.

    Dr George Dollar, Prof at Central wrote "Biblical Fundamentalism" often quoted by Doc Cassidy and myself

    Dr Pettegrew formerly of the Seminary wrote a definitive treastise on the Holy Spirit

    Dr RV Clearwaters, founder of the school and of Pillsbury Baptist College wrote on the "Great Conservative Baptist Compromise" (so many churches pulled from the Northern/America Baptists following WWII and the CBA grew exponentially. It soon drifted, then sped into neo-evangelicalism)

    This is ONE ifb seminary and a sample of the "scholarship" in printed works. These men were all mentors of mine, often professors of mine, and top drawer.
     
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    Yes, there is a scarcity of "scholarship" in Fundamentalism today. However, when you consider Modernism went through the old line seminaries like Sherman went through Georgia and Sheridan through the Shenandoah, it's not that surprising. After two almost three generations Fundamental scholars are coming back into the picture.
    When you think of the GARBC schools, Pillsbury\Central, the old San Francisco Baptist Theological, Calvary BTS, Detroit, and Maranatha College and Seminary, it's hard to say Fundamental Baptists turned their backs on scholarship.
     
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    I think as in past posts we need to define what fundamentalism means, I still consider myself a fundamental Christian. I'm not a legalist by any means whatsoever.

    J. Vernon McGee used to call himself a fundamentalist.
     
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    George Dollar, Gordon Conwell, Boston College. Ph.D.
    W. B. Riley, Hanover College, Southern Baptist Seminary, Louisville.
    R.V. Clearwaters, Moody Bible Institute, Northern Baptist Seminary, Kalamazoo, University of Chicago Divinity School.
    Myron Cedarholm, Eastern Baptist Theological Seminary, Princeton.
    James Hollowood.
    Arno Weniger
    Archer Weniger
    Warren Vanhetlo
    Gordon Lovic
    Roland McCune

    The list goes on and on and on. And those, with the exception of W.B. Riley, are the ones I have known personally and studied under several of them.

    Fundamentalism is replete with excellent scholars.
     
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    How many of those are living? I think Rhet wanted a current listing.
     
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    The men named above kept the love of scholarship alive during its wilderness years in Fundamentalism. It is on their shoulders that the current and growing crop stands. I would add Dr. Richard Weeks to the list. Please note expect for Warren Vanhetlo, Gordon Lovic, and Roland McCune who I don't know, all of the men named were Northern Baptists. They were never affiliated with or associated with the SBC.
     
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    I would consider the following modern fundamental scholars:

    Al Mohler

    John MacArthur

    Paul Washer

    What say you?
     
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    I would say that Fundamentalists such as Mark Minnich would disagree with you. He respects them, but doesn't consider them Fundamentalists in the true sense of the word.
     
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    Dr. Bob Response

    Dr. Bob,

    Thank you for your insight, it is always helpful and well, "insightful!" I was trying to get at the point and have not done it very well, has there been (is there any now) fundamentalist's scholarship that would hold up "outside the pale?"

    It seems what you have cited were fundamentalist's themes and "insiders language." Are fundamentalists making contributions to the wider evangelical or scholarly worlds?

    I guess to boil my question down or to get to the gist of the matter, it might be asked in a better way?

    Thanks for the help. :thumbs:

    "That is all!"
     
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    The problem may very well be is "the wider evangelical or scholarly worlds" willing to listen to such Fundamental scholars that do exist? It may be a case of "the wider evangelical or scholarly worlds" not believing that Fundamentalists have anything scholarly to say. The best analog I can give is the way the wider scientific community tends to disregard any of their peers who hold to a creationist position. It's hard to contribute when you can't get published no matter how good your work. Have you checked out www.sharperiron.org ? The folks there seem to think deep thoughts.:applause:
     
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    Yeah, there are fundamentalist scholars, but practically none of them carry any weight among greater evangelical thought. I don't know much about Boreland, but Patterson is pretty much a joke outside of the SBC.
     
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    Since the Baptists are MORE THAN HALF of all the "evangelicals" in the US, and the SBC is 40% of all Baptists in the US, carrying weight in that group carries real weight!

    There is an "academic elite" of the old "new evangelical school" (kissing up to liberalism, modernism and godless evolution) that would be espoused by the "Christianity Today" mindset. They will look down their collective noses at someone from a Fundamentalist perspective and elevate the Biola, Talbot, Gordon-Conwell, Harvard Divinity, Western types.

    But THESE are the minority. Not sure how many are even "evangelical" in a loose sense!
     
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    I'm in over my head here. I feel like I'm on the Puritan Board.
     
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    Looking at the topic from a strictly Baptist perspective, we didn't have all that many scholars back in the day (before Modernism flooded the seminaries and washed out the orthodox teachers). So, it's not surprising there aren't all that many today. The old saw was "Baptists spent their time in pastoral work and preaching the Gospel. They read the commentaries written by the Presbyterians."
     

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