Garden of Eden and the Tree of Life

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  1. SAVED4LIFE

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    The Garden of Eden is explained in the Bible as being on earth. The Tree of Life was guarded by a Cheribum and a flaming sword so that Adam and Eve couldn't eat from the tree. The notes in my study Bible said that this could mean that we would one day be able to eat from the Tree of Life since God protected it and didn't uproot it.

    Here's my question: If the Tree of Life was guarded and preserved, and it was here on earth......wouldn't it still be here????

    Thanks!
     
  2. Helen

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    First of all, Noah's Flood left about 2 miles deep of sedimentary deposits BELOW the Cambrian! Antediluvian life and all remnants of it have long since been destroyed.

    Second, if you check Revelation 22, you will find it there.
     
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    I’ve read and can’t remember where, that the original tree of life was not only material (real), but also it symbolized the blessing of eternal life that would’ve been given to Adam and Eve and their descendants if they remained obedient, kinda like the Lord’s Supper, for it is real, b/c we Christians partake in it, and it symbolizes and reminds us of Jesus’ death which brings us life, both perform a sacramental function.

    Since Adam failed and sin entered the world, my guess is that the original tree succumbed to the effects of the Fall. The Cherubim, IMO, was used more in part to protect Adam from the tree than it was to protect the tree from Adam, b/c Adam now in a fallen state now prone to all the diseases of the world would’ve eaten from the tree and lived forever. Kinda like myself having cancer and suffering, but not ever dieing.
     
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    Define "live forever". Do the lost of today live forever? Do only those who put on immortality in Christ live forever?

    When the scriptures talk about fearing Satan because he can destroy the soul, what does "destroy" mean?
     
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    Define "live forever". Do the lost of today live forever? Do only those who put on immortality in Christ live forever?

    When the scriptures talk about fearing Satan because he can destroy the soul, what does "destroy" mean?
    </font>[/QUOTE]Ooooh, great questions! I'm interested in reading the responses to those!

    Thanks to all who answered my question. I have 100's more just like it, but I'll spare you the misery for now.
     
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    Jesus defined everlasting life in John 17:3.
     
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    genesis 3:15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

    romans 16:20 And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your shorty. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be with you Amem.

    hebrews 2:14 Forasmuch then as the children are partakes of flesh and blood, he also himself likewise took part of the same; that through death he might destory him that had the power of death, that is, the devil;

    I john 3:8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destory the works of the devil.

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    forever (from www.studylight.org)
    in OT
    1. long duration, antiquity, futurity, for ever, ever, everlasting, evermore, perpetual, old, ancient, world
    a. ancient time, long time (of past)
    b. (of future)
    1. for ever, always
    2. continuous existence, perpetual
    3. everlasting, indefinite or unending
    future, eternity
    in NT
    1. for ever, an unbroken age, perpetuity of
    time, eternity
    2. the worlds, universe
    3. period of time, age

    Jesus was not telling people to fear Satan, He was telling them to fear God. In Revelation, Jesus says "I have the keys of hell and death." Jesus is the One that sends people to lake of fire at the judgement - not Satan.

    destroy (from www.studylight.org)
    1. to destroy
    a. to put out of the way entirely,
    abolish, put an end to ruin
    b. render useless
    c. to kill
    d. to declare that one must be put to
    death
    e. metaph. to devote or give over to
    eternal misery in hell
    f. to perish, to be lost, ruined,
    destroyed
    2. to destroy
    a. to lose

    Mark 9:43-48 (KJV 1769)
    43 And if thy hand offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter into life maimed, than having two hands to go into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
    44 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
    45 And if thy foot offend thee, cut it off: it is better for thee to enter halt into life, than having two feet to be cast into hell, into the fire that never shall be quenched:
    46 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.
    47 And if thine eye offend thee, pluck it out: it is better for thee to enter into the kingdom of God with one eye, than having two eyes to be cast into hell fire:
    48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

    Looks to me like they live forever but eternally seperated from God in the lake of fire.
     
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    3 And this is life eternal, that they should know thee the only true God, and him whom thou didst send, even Jesus Christ.

    What of those who do not have life eternal? Do they still have immortality?
    If so where did they get their immortality? Were they born eternal beings? If so what is the immortality that Christians put on in Christ?

    What does shortly mean? careful

    So did He destroy him?

    So did He destroy the works of the Devil?

    You are correct.

    Mt 10:28 And be not afraid of them that kill the body, but are not able to kill the soul: but rather fear him who is able to destroy both soul and body in hell.

    It is God not Satan.

    However which definition of destroy do we use?

    b. render useless
    or
    f. to perish, to be lost, ruined,
    destroyed

    Is "eternal death" mentioned in the scriptures?

    If Adam and Eve would have eaten of the Tree of Life before the fall what would have happened?

    What would have happened if they would have eaten after the fall?
     
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    If Adam and Eve would have eaten of the Tree of Life before the fall what would have happened?

    What would have happened if they would have eaten after the fall? [/QB][/QUOTE]


    Two more VERY interesting questions I would like to have answered......thank you, Grasshopper.

    I was told once that had Adam and Eve eaten from the Tree of Life, that Jesus would not have been able to redeem us........?????
     
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    please look at Revelation 22:14

    Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.

    any thoughts ? do they restore tree of life after second advent?

    proverbs 11:30

    The fruit of the righteous is a tree of life, and he that winneth souls is wise.

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  12. Helen

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    Grasshopper, At the end of Matthew 25, we read about the final condition of the sheep and the goats. The goats "will go away to eternal punishment, but the righteous to eternal life."

    So however LONG eternal life is, that is exactly how long eternal punishment is! The key to John 17:3 is therefore not the word 'eternal,' but the word 'life.' Life is more than consciousness. Evidently all human beings will be eternally conscious, or the concept of eternal punishment would have no meaning.

    As far as destroying the devil and his works, there is still a war in the heavenlies (see the end of Ephesians) and we are told to put on the full armor of God so that we can remain standing. The end is not yet.

    Regarding the Tree of Life, if we look at its purpose in Revelation, it is for healing. Why should its purpose have been any different before. Adam and Eve may well have eaten from it occasionally before the Fall. It appears to have been of medicinal use, initiating healing far beyond what we know now from our medications. The point would then have been to prevent them from perpetually healing bodies which were trapped in sin after the Fall, thus limiting the time they would have to spend on earth in a sinful world.
     
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    brumleyj, please be careful in quoting the Bible, for if you miss a word and then misspell another, you could have dire consequences - and it may end up in the Members Forum's Humor Thread. ;)

    I think, this is the Bible verse in its entirety, of which you wished to quote:

     

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