Gators and Vols

Great game... especially the outcome.

Yeah and before you start with the bad call stuff, the Vols were due one... though this wasn't nearly as bad as the non-catch of 2000. The receiver's retaliation was much worse than the original joust from the D back.

With the emergence of those two QB's, I am much more hopeful in the Vols' chances than I was to start out. IMO, both are better than Clausen now. They have a great line to play behind and excellent receivers.

Questions remain on defense- Especially the line. They must be able to get some pressure without LB help. D backs played well considering the absence of pressure on Leak.

 

You can't really say that while Miami is still spanking FSU every year.

I hated to see the FSU-Miami game go like it did... but they are the Big Daddy of Florida football for the past 5 years.

UF has beaten FSU since FSU beat Miami.

 

Nope. Most replays have only shown the last two blows and did not include the sound of the whistle.

On the one occasion I saw the whole sequence, those two guys had been jousting that way during the whole play. We used to call it chicken fighting. Wade's last shove was just after the whistle and could have been considered a continuation of the play. The response was clearly after the play was over and was much more severe.

The official discerned the difference between a little tap and a round house right that turned the guys head around.

There is plenty of room to disagree with his judgment... but like I said, this was nowhere near as egregious as the non-catch of 2000.

That was a bad call. But bad/missed calls are part of the game. I saw UF players throwing chop blocks that weren't called on several of their better running plays. Whether its coaching or officiating, UF gets away with more holding than any other team in the SEC.

The clock thing? Yes. The punch thing? No.

The failure to start the clock was due to a failure to know or apply the rules.

Who was at fault and at what point a personal foul is warranted is always a subjective judgment call. You cannot punish the official for that unless there was no difference in the severity of the acts, both acts were clearly after the end of the play, or it can be proven that the official did it intentionally to hurt UF.

Statistically it was an even game. They scored an equal number of TD's. UT was snake bitten by a fluke extra point miss (the only miss of Wilhoit's career at UT). They got it back on a fluke official's mistake, two terrific plays, and a great kick under enormous pressure.

BTW, UF wasn't beaten by the officials. UT still needed 25 yards to get to the 35. Their defense had an opportunity to stop them... and frankly should have. If you want to be upset with someone then start with the UF defense and coaches. They couldn't stop a true freshman from managing a 25 yard drive in something less than 30 seconds without timeouts.

I don't think the officials made the call to "make-up". I think one was a judgment call that I would agree with . The other was a mistake. I would like to see a perfectly officiated game... but I am not delusional. If this rivalry stays as closely matched as it is now (which is no guarantee with Zook in command), I expect that there will be another game changing bad call that goes against UT.

Not really. The Big 12 is pretty bad and the ACC is probably the worst... only to get that much worse with Miami in the league. I don't have a dog in their fight but they seem to be easily star struck.

The worst officiating in the SEC came during the "Ol' Ball Coach's" reign. He intimidated all of them for some reason.

If it had been the other way around, I could have argued about missed holding calls that allowed Leak time to pass, about a fluke extra point miss, about chop blocks that kept UF drives going, etc.

Officials make mistakes. Sometimes they are apparent. Sometimes they are transparent. The ones we don't see are every bit as costly as the ones we do see.

The win is no more tainted than any other that is partially shaped by bad calls.

 

Not trying to argue but just watch any game where you can catch a glimpse of wide receivers "blocking". They all chicken fight and most of the time they shove at each other's face mask. I don't know why. They just do.

Huh? He caught the ball landed and ran 4 more yards into the end zone. That's pretty much control in my book.

It was bad- not even very close. The ball hit the guy in the numbers then squirted down between his hands and body. He didn't even have time to pretend that he was throwing the ball down.

I think he was as shocked as anyone that it was called a catch.

It all balances out over time but an interesting caveat is that the guy who made the call in 2000 was a Vandy grad.

A little like having a Auburn grad make a bad call that caused Bama to lose to UT. You'd feel like you were owed one down the line somewhere.

 

I saw the whole sequence. Both players had already done what Wade did several times during the play. Neither player had turned the other guys head around until the last slap.

That's true.

We'll never know. There still would have been some time on the clock. Not enough for two plays and two clock kills but at least time for one.

 

It wasn't that long ago... but it was since Zook took over. He stinks and I am pretty happy that it doesn't appear that UF is going to recognize that fact until their program drops off significantly.

This game plus the other two or three losses they will have this year will seriously hurt their recruiting whether they get rid of Zook or not.

 

Thanks Tom for that extremely insightful and intelligently written response.