Global Economics 101

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  1. poncho

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    As taught by our very own Pastor Larry and Ed Edwards.

    Take it away fellas...
     
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    New world Order:

    Look at the back (green side) of your US$1 bill.

    Look at that left picture of the pyramid.
    Check out the logo below the pyramid:

    NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM

    That is written in Latin.

    'SECLORUM' is the Latin word from which we get
    the English world 'secular'. 'Secular' started out as
    a word that meant 'worldly' as opposed to
    the clergy which was supposed to be 'other worldly ;)

    'ORDO' the the Latin word from which we
    get 'order': a ranking, or organization, or set.

    'NOVUS' is a Latin word from which we get 'new'.
    (it really is, look it up)

    Roughly then we find:

    NOVUS ORDO SECLORUM

    New World Order

    (Wikipedia says at:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novus_Ordo_Seclorum

     
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    Here is what I know about Global Economics:
    God's Global Economics

    Here are the four uses of 'dispensation' in the New
    Testament:

    1Co 9:17 (KJV1611 Edition):
    For if I doe this thing willingly,
    I haue a reward: but if against my will,
    a dispensation of the Gospel is committed vnto me.

    Eph 1:10 (KJV1611 Edition):
    That in the dispensation of the fulnesse of times,
    he might gather together in one all things in Christ,
    both which are in heauen, and which are on earth,
    euen in him:

    Eph 3:2 (KJV1611 Edition):
    If ye haue heard of the dispensation
    of the grace of God
    , which is giuen me to youward:

    Col 1:25 (KJV1611 Edition):
    Whereof I am made a Minister, according
    to the dispensation of God, which is giuen
    to mee for you, to fulfill the word of God:

    The Greek word translated 'dispensation'
    from Strong's is:


    G3622
    οἰκονομία
    oikonomia
    oy-kon-om-ee'-ah
    From G3623; administration (of a household or estate);
    specifically a (religious) “economy”:
    - dispensation, stewardship.


    We get our English word 'economy from the
    Greek 'oikonomia'

    In God's Economy of time:

    hour = the appropriate time
    day = the appropriate time
    week = the appropriate time
    month = the appropriate time
    year = the appropriate time
    7-years = the appropriate time
    1,000 years = the appropriate time

    In God's Economy of People restoration:

    The blind see,
    The deaf hear
    The dead live
    The lame leap like deer,
     
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    Global economics means that money, goods, and services are not longer simply local; they are global. We might not like that, but we have deal with it and live in that.

    I think there are some glaring inconsistencies manifested here ... like while it's good for companies to pay workers more .... except if those workers don't live in America.

    But that's a side issue. In a global economy we have to recognize that life is changing in a hurry.
     
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    I still say we are to do as Ephesians 5:11 tells us to do....
     
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    Amen, Brother Pastor Larry -- Preach it!


    I was reading back in the late 1980s that a Bicycle I might
    buy for then $80 (one-speed, for a kid) was composed of
    materials and parts collected from 87 countries.
    While such a bike is EASY to ride - it is not easy to
    collect the parts & materials.

    I have always wondered about certain independent
    surviver persons (sorry, can't spell the word close enough
    for the spell check - it is a person whose interest
    is surviving off the land). They fail to note that when the
    Native Americans (formerly: American Indians) lived
    close to the land, they only had enough to keep about
    6 million alive. Tee Hee The USofA contains some 12
    million surviver persons but only halve of them can live
    thru the coming hard times:BangHead:
     
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    I completely agree. How is that relevant here?
     
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    There has been a global economy for almost as long as man has been on this earth. People traveled great distances to trade for goods in other lands for centuries...correct?

    If that's correct, then why are things changing so fast? I mean besides the increased speed of travel and communications.
     
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    Yes, but not the way we use "global economy" today. For the vast majority of human history, one side of the world didn't know the other existed. Economies were local, and fairly uncomplicated since they were agrarian.

    I think those are the two main reasons. There are others, I am sure, but those are the main ones. For example, we would never have tech support in India (raising Indian wages and lifting people out of poverty (real poverty)) were it not for the telephone industry and cheap communication. So there is a very complex situation going on, but you have the gyst of it.
     
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    I've always heard that competition raises quality and lowers price is that correct?
     
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    According to my understanding not always. All things being equal, the answer would be yes. But all things are not equal. They never are. There are other factors.

    Competition can lower price and quality. Quality can raise price and create competition. So again, it is a very complex issue.
     
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    Competiton is becoming a thing of the past what with all the mergers and overly conglomerated transnational corporations. It looks as if a company today is threatened by competition it simply takes them over. Over all I'd say we're bound to get cheaper products but will lack choices. Cheaper meaning "made in China" it's okay if don't mind giving all your money to a communist regime that uses slave labor.

    Take the mainstream media for instance, ownership has gone from about fifty corporations to 6 or 7. Radio is being conglomerated, Clearchannel communications is king of radio and has investments in Diebold and ES&S e voting machines. Now that'll come in handy for em. Sorry for the little diatribe.

    So I guess my question was moot before I asked it. Bottom line we can only compete with China if the playing field is level. Americans earning dirt cheap wages and working long hours.
     
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    I don't think so really. There are always people who want to do it themselves. The big companies are merging but smaller companies are emerging all the time. I used to like watching Donnie Deutsch when he would have some of these guys on who made it big.

    It's not slave labor in most cases. The economy is simply different.

    I agree that this has overall not been good. But in a free market, what do you do? Tell someone they can't spend their money? Let's says you want a toaster and a small oven (a "conglomeration"). Do you want someone telling you can't buy it?

    "Dirt cheap wages" is relative though, as is working long hours. And that's the part of living in a global economy. You are comparing product against product, but to most of hte people on this board on I work for dirt cheap wages. To others, I am rich.

    The problem as I see it is that we have a one way train. We think wages always have to go up. We don't see that with prices. We don't think milk has to constantly go up in price. We recognize that the market goes up and down. But a union negotiates X dollars an hour with a 3% a year raise for three years, and then use that as the baseline in the next contract. There is no opportunity for the employee to say that the wage baseline is now less than X. Virtually the only way to cut wages is layoffs.

    Compare that with salesmen who go have a great year and make X. The next year they have a lesser year and make 2/3 of X. The market, their work ethic, etc has determined their wage.

    So again, it is a complex issue where there is nothing simple.
     
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    It is relevant here because we are told to have no part of them but rather reprove them(expose their works of darkness) get it ? Do you understand why Poncho and I are doing what we are doing?
    REPROVING THE WORKS OF DARKNESS?
    We really are not to be content with going along down a road (the broad road that leads to destruction) you know (many there be that travel that road)but few that really go down the narrow road.Thats the road Jesus Christ wants us on Isn't it?

    What road would you prefer to be traveling Larry?
    You know we can stradle pretty easily at first,but then the roads begin to seperate,and we widen our stance , and before too long we have to make a choice because we can't spead our legs that far apart,if we do nothing we are sure to stumble and fall,so I find it easier to choose my road from the beginning,and stay on it following Christ ,right from the start.....
     
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    I agree. You haven't actually shown these to be unfruitful works of darkness. How does raising the living conditions of people in a second or third world country equal works of darkness? I think there is plenty of greed and wickedness, but those people aern't listening to me.

    Not entirely. I think part of it is that you have been deceived into thinking there is some grand conspiracy to destroy the US, which I think is absurd. I think you think political disagreements are because people want to destroy the country.

    You are not "REPROVING THE WORKS OF DARKNESS?" because they are not here listening to you.

    [quoteWe really are not to be content with going along down a road (the broad road that leads to destruction) you know (many there be that travel that road)but few that really go down the narrow road.Thats the road Jesus Christ wants us on Isn't it?[/quote]Yes, that is why I preach the gospel. That has nothing to do with global economics, who's responsible for 9/11 or lies about the War in Iraq.

    The road of Christ in the gospel.

    The problem I see is you guys trying to straddle the fence. You seem like you don't trust the gospel to change people's lives; you have to do it through legislation. You seem like you think government is the answer. I don't. I think the answer to our problems lies in our pulpits. If we had churches who would preach the gospel rather than politics we would be better off.

    Our goal is not to solve world poverty, to raise the wages of the middle class, to cut taxes, to feed the poor, or anything else. Our goal is to make disciples. I think we should walk that road rather than straddle the fence between disciple making and politicing.
     

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