I am not sure if the title for this thread is accurate, anyway, here we go. Just doing some study on Gnosticism and its many off shoots an I am coming up short on one line of thought. I know that docetism and other philosophies sprung from the basic gnostic principles but there are extremes I have read about before and I am having a mental block trying to research them again. 1. One extreme looks at the physical being evil and so rejects pretty much any and all pleasure. They abstain from most foods, sex, drink and really anything affords pleasure. 2. The other extreme looks at the physical as evil and the spirit as good and conclude they can do anyting to their bodies with no spiritual/emotional/mental consequences. So, they sleep around, eat and drink excessively and really do not deny themselves any physical pleasure. Am I getting mixed up here or what? I believe the first group could be epicureans, but to what degree I am not sure. Now, to a degree I guess hedonists (not the Piper variety) woul dbe in the second group. But I am looking for more info. Any takers?