Go ahead and pound me: But I believe the Government should be involved in healthcare.

Surely you or his father would have given him gas money!

Incidentally he would have been treated in any emergency room.

 

The situation that you are describing may not be the ideal but it is certainly different than the claim of receiving no health care.

 

How would you feel about an insurance program for the uninsured that is funded by contributions by people who believe as you do?

How much would you personally be willing to contribute?

 

I personally know a man who was declared medically disabled and officially retired from the state job he had. He applied for Social Security Disability and for two years went unapproved because of red tape and medical boards.

This is the same Government you want to handle your Health Insurance?

 

I said it before and I will say it again with emphasis. If the Baptist churches would quit tearing down their barns and building bigger ones they could aid those who are in need. I believe Baptist churches probably do less of this than any denomination. Perhaps they are afraid of being accused of doing good works! However, we are told in Ephesians 2:10 For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.

A particular area of South Carolina near where I live has very few Lutherans yet a town in that area has a Lutheran assisted care facility. South Carolina is overflowing with professing Baptists yet I am not sure they have any such facilities. Perhaps my fellow South Carolinians will correct me.

I have heard the lament for years that: If everyone just tithed look what we could do! Yes! Build bigger barns. Sort of like the Prestonwood Baptist Church in Texas.

 

Pound, pound, pound!

 

If my math is right 80,000 on social security would equal more than one million dollars earned. Does this mean that you live better than most but still whine that you make poor choices and deny your family medical insurance. Search the scripture and read about stewardship and responsibility. My prayers are with you and especially your family.

 

Your math is correct. That equals about $67,000 a year in income.

On which he claims to have paid $10,000 a year in property taxes.

Something is not adding up here.

Unless of course Havensdad has lived way beyond his income and borrowed money like crazy to finance it.

That could explain the lack of medical insurance and the current camper trailer housing choice.

And this is an example of someone that the rest of us should be required to provide medical insurance for - at our own expense?

 

Now we're getting to the truth.

There are a lot of folks who chose not to purchase health insurance and in America that is their right.

But here we have a person who can afford it but chooses not to.

He then bellyaches about the healthcare system he chooses not to participate in and supports a government takeover of the same system he chooses to spurn.

He will ultimately get what he wishes. Government run healthcare and he will not have a choice whether he wants to participate or not.

Remember this discussion Havensdad when you have to pony up and write the check to the federal government for the healthcare you so want them to provide.

 

Two anecdotes doesn't even come close to answering my question. Try again.

 

And you think the federal government's involvement "fixes things?"

What planet have you been on lately?

The problem I have with your view (one of many): You state, "A Christian should help those in need." (right? sure.)

Then you go on to limit Christians--claiming the only way they can help is to have their money confiscated by an inept, power-hungry federal government that could screw up an anvil with a rubber mallet. (right? not so much)

There are other ways to help, you know...

 

You are correct. This thread reminds me of the war threads with people who have no experience with military service giving their glorious opinions. If anyone has been involved with any agency of the federal government in any fashion, common sense would say that person would not walk, but run away from any governmental involvement in their health care.

 

AMEN. As much as I love our military personnel I feel sorry for them because I know personally how FRUSTRATING the MILITARY CHAIN OF COMMAND and ORGANIZATION is to deal with.

Egads! Just thinking about some of my experiences in the military make me want to hide under my bed 'til Jesus comes.

The idea of the Government in charge of healthcare is the biggest nightmare I can imagine.

My wife just turned 65 this past year. I still don't understand the Medicare System - Not the whole thing mind you - just the little bitty USER END OF IT!!!!

Now if I can't understand it with an Accounting Degree plus a Masters Degree how do you think the rest of the "SHEEPLE" feel?

Havensdad doesn't know what he's asking for!!!
:BangHead:

 

Sometimes misery loves company.

Unfortunately, many are now receiving some good care because of the benevolence of Christian doctors, pharmaceutical companies making special offers, gifts and fund raising who might not have nearly the effective care if health care went national and one is on a list for a gp who refers to a specialist who orders tests which are reviewed by the gp and then more tests, referrals, tests, referrals etc until treatment..... and at each stage..... they are held up by being a number in line for care.

Sorry, Havensdad, I'd truly like to be more compassionate, but sometimes we pray, sometimes we ask and seek and find..... and sometimes a prayer doesn't answer our way so we refuse God's answer and belly ache about our own condition. Whatever happened to committing all things into God's hands and thanking Him in faith that even when things would not appear to others to be going our way.... we know that He is faithful and we trust His will be done..

Health care by government will not be more caring....... it will be much much less...... and reduce the means and the choices of those who would help from doing so.

Regulating health care means government will regulate the services of doctors.... Gone with the voluntary office visits and care some doctors give without charge to the very poor uncovered by ANY plan. When government institutes price controls, gone will be the profit incentive to develope more effective meds or research develope and modify medical equipment and technology for improvements in diagnosing, treatment and care.

Who have you asked for help? When did you stop making phone calls? You have internet? Have you searched for help? Have you told your SS class and church of your need? If they couldn't help.... have you taken your needs to other churches? Have you engaged your friends and relatives to be alert for information which might help you? Are you living in an area where you are so restricted from resources and people that this is the problem and you could solve it if willing to move?

 

What are we to believe?

Previously you said this:

What have you written that is about you and what is about someone else?

When you were talking about your brother were you really talking about your brother or some other person's brother or maybe just a hypothetical brother?

What are we now supposed to believe?