God and Jesus

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  1. Paul3144

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    Am I the only one who has a pet peeve about the phrase "God and Jesus"? I understand what is meant by that is God the Father and Jesus, but I think saying "God and Jesus" subtlety implies Jesus isn't God, even though that's not the intent.
     
  2. th1bill

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    Paul, your question brings the lack of reverence to my mind instantly and the Church of today is full of this sin. You're ertainly not the only one that is concious of the mannor and form that is tossed around today but just as our LORD pointed out the Straight Gate is narrow and there are few that will find it. I teach a class filled with very fundamental old men called The Frumpy Old Men's Class and we all agree that if the Rapture happened on a Saturday that it would not affect the attendance by more than one to two percent the next morning.

    I have even heard a long term member in good standing use the phrase J.C. and the boys. There are a great deal more folks going to Hell than anyone thinks about today.
     
  3. David Lamb

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    No, you are not alone. Jesus is God, so saying "God and Jesus" doesn't make much sense.

    Many people have problems enough understanding that Jesus is both the Son of God, and God, and using a phrase like "God and Jesus" doesn't help.

    We know that when the Jews heard Jesus refer to himself as the Son of God, they knew that in doing so, He was claiming equality with God the Father. John 5.18:

    Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God.
     
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    To me it is "God the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit"--indicating that God is a triune God, and that all Three are one God and one Lord. They are THREE manifestions of ONE God.
     
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    I think people mean the way John meant it...

    "Grace, mercy and peace from God the Father and from Jesus Christ, the Father’s Son, will be with us in truth and love."
     
  6. zrs6v4

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    I have stumbled over this before as well. It doesn't bother me as much the more I grow in understanding. There are even times when Jesus refers to the Father by simply calling Him God. Some could take that as Jesus speaking of the Father as being alone God.

    In letters we also find that they can start off "God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ..." huh? The Father is God and Jesus is Lord? :)

    Our language has limitations in describing God so sometimes we call Jesus God and Savior,the Father God, or Jesus Lord. Either way God is God, Lord is Lord, and King is King. It sometimes sounds odd when describing a triune God. I think that is where the issue falls.

    Think of it this way how weird would it sound if every time God was referred to in the New testament if they wrote God the Father, God the Son, and God the Spirit? It would sound to theological. Everything isn't written as a systematic theology to help someone have a world view.
     
    #6 zrs6v4, Dec 15, 2010
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