God Cares, Do You?

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  1. th1bill

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    Deu. 31:8, Psa. 23 and Ecc. 3:1-8

    Across the web I have seen a rash of incredible posts as the latest Presidential Election approaches. There are an abundance of reasons given in these posts that, with their reasoning, make it of no concern to the LORD if, we, His people vote for Barack Obama. The truth can be no clearer than it is and that is that if you are a saved man or woman, you have been adopted into the family of God and that means you, male or female, are a child of God. (John 1:12, Romans 8:14-16) Mr. Obama has come out of the closet and has flatly stated that he approves of Homosexual men marrying other men and of Homosexual women marrying other women and anyone that has read either of the Testaments knows that homosexual acts are an abomination to God. And Mr. Obama and the DNC have openly declared their support for the murder of unborn children and in the scripture, God informs Jeremiah that it was not only He that formed him in his mother's womb but that he, God, knew him before he was planted there.


    As a Christian teacher I teach and rule my life with the constant reminder that I am a saved man. I do this, not just because Romans 8:9-11 tells me the Holy Spirit indwells my body, I do this because I know the truth of this and the other passages concerning the matter. Every moment of every day I am connected to Jesus, the Son and God, the Father through the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. At the same time, if one will teach you that voting for Barack Obama will not send you to Hell, I'll have to admit that this alone will not do that.

    There is, however, a great deal of concern that must to be exerted when considering how to act or to react to any matter if one is a Christian. When I was a child, I was a public reflection of my father, just as each and every child is, whether they like it or not. When a man, a woman or a child is saved they become a child of God and they forsake everything this world has to offer. (Luke 14:28-35) There is a principal for Life Application found in this passage and throughout the Bible.

    The principal found here and elsewhere is that what glorifies God supersedes everything. God is first in all things from cleaning the toe-jam from your feet, all the way to how you drive your car. When you shout at your spouse, you dishonor God. When you break the speed limit, you dishonor God. If you vote for a man that promotes sin, you dishonor God and you need to do a Spiritual Inventory... something is misswing or out of place!
     
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    Do you consider Romney a Christian Bill?
     
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    I'd like to know too.:laugh: Does worshiping a false god not promote sin?
     
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    No, less dangerous... yes! I was not of age to vote for John Kennedy, a Catholic, but I would have and I did vote for Jimmy Carter, a Baptist, but I know God will forgive me for being stupid. We are voting for the leader of this country, not the Churches Pastor and when it all comes down I'd prefer a Morman to a Muslim and Obama is not a Christian but he does bow to Arabian Kings and attends the Islamic Day of Prayer where they bow to Mecca.
     
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    Just as I said in the post above, they both worship a false god. One, Obama, is extremely more dangerous than the other.
     
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    They are both wicked to the core. But some kind of way, the Church has convinced itself that one is less wicked.

    If we are voting for President and not a Pastor, then it really shouldn't concern you or anyone else what the candidates do or believe morally.

    Morals count. But this seems to be the season of situational ethics where the morals or lack thereof of one candidate seems to count less than the morality/immorality of the other.

    Christians seem to be acting just like the Laodicean Church. They are lukewarm for God in that their devotion to Him trails behind their desire to save the country or have someone in office who can do less damage. But they feign that they are voting their convictions and who keeps closest to Biblical law. And they are half-heartedly, lukewarmly supporting Romney because he's the lesser of two evils (SMH).

    Yep the Laodicean Church all over again. God help us.

    So I keep asking , what's more important: seeing this country destroyed at a slower rate or ushering someone quicker into hell by giving false teachings a larger platform?

    Because whether or not people want to accept it, this is it. There will be no recovery. Israel will strike Iran. There will be war. Obama will be re-elected. And this country will see its downfall as we, our kids, our grandkids and everyone else so richly deserve for turning our noses up to God and then acting like we're doing him a favor by endorsing the lesser of two evils.
     
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    Based upon what? No one has any idea what the Romney will really do or not do. He's steeped in a religion of deception. There is no basis for saying he's less dangerous because deceivers lie.

    Obama says he is a Christian though nothing of him gives testimony as such.

    Romney says he is a Christian but Christians have identified his faith as of a cult and have said that he does not worship the Jesus of the Holy Bible.

    So you've got two anti-Christs equally dangerous. Yet Christians are consumed by what each can do to this country instead of what us supporting either of them can do to people's eternity.

    This nation is already under God's judgment and that is why Christians find themselves in this voting predicament. And just like with Israel in ancient times and God's judgment coming against them, they STILL managed to do the wrong things.

    Come Lord Jesus Come.
     
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    While I will agree with you that both men areless than Christian, I'm not resigned to throw in the towel & give up--resigned to the fact that God is disappointed in us & the world is coming to an end...that's wrong minded thinking from my prospective. Yes God has tons to be angry about however the worlds repentance is what's in order...not world destruction. I'd focus my efforts there gentlemen.
     
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    I suspect you're being naive like most because on some level folks are afraid for Jesus to return. It's as though we want Him to come back but no one wants Him to come RIGHT NOW.

    There won't be any world repentance. You can't even get the Church to understand why they shouldn't be supporting that which is against Christ just to win an election.

    Naah. There is a storm coming that will force the remnant to take its commission seriously. But there will not be any saving this country from destruction because God has already deemed it so.
     
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    All of what you say is true, especially the judgment statement. So, the follower of the Most Holy God has a choice to make. Before the '08 election I saw where Obama had promised the Joint Chiefs of Staff that he would make America a third world power and disassemble our military and he has begun that and is near completion. Better than a couple of decades back, the king of Saudia Arabia promised the Arab world that He would seat an Islamic believer in the Whitre house by '08 and at the time I laughed... but!

    I, being skilled in the process of repairing and faking images to the point that I routinely repair badly damaged and ripped photos and documents such as marriage licences and birth certificates, downloaded the Image Obama posted as his Hawaiian Birth Certificate and it stunk to high heaven. That was a multi-layed document that was so poorly done that the doctor's signature pixelated, the inner and the outer layers of the background did not match in color depth and other obvious errors I've forgotten and long ago trashed the image.

    When I work with an image or a document, I also use the layered technique because of the simplicity. If I need to enlarge a portion or a signature, to avoid pixal issues I sooth the edges, a one click task. The amature that created that Photo Shopped piece of trash didn't eve bother, what, we are too stupid to notice. And to keep people from easily using my work for illegal purposes, I print the document and scan it, making it a one layer image without all the information of what I did to it incoded in the file, they did not even do that. Conclusion, The egg in the Oval Office means no good what-so-ever.

    On the other hand, the LDS Church has not destroyed the Twin Towers and Romney is an American citizen, he meets the "required" conditions for service. Romney does not approve of the murder of the unborn and he does not bow to the king of Saudi Arabia. You need to focus on the issues and not be so eager to attack, that is the Socialists way!
     
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    In total agreement! Yes, God is righteously POed and it is time for folks,
    Christians, to remember 2Chron. 7:14.
     
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    My dear departed mother always taught me to never use phrases like, "I Think or I suspect" when measuring anything....honestly its not concrete, not diffinative. You have no knowledge as to what I actually believe,other than a mere statement.....so you speculate. This is a habit you should stop.

    If for example, you & I were enlisted soldiers in Afghanistan driving down the road & I was supposed to be getting intel from the base as to where a mine field is, your driving & you ask me, do we have a cleared road & I tell you, well I think so.....LOL, how much confidence would you have in me & my speculative intel? Right!:smilewinkgrin:

    Knowing rather than thinking may save your life some day.

    As to the rest, Ive absolutely no fear of the future....."No Jesus, No Peace. Know Jesus, Know Peace.
     
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    But we are to work until the very moment He stands there on that cloud.
     
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    Worth reading:

    2 Chronicles 7:14

    King James Version (KJV)

    14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land.
     
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    I totally agree....so what are we waiting for? Need to get busy! Plenty of souls to save prior to the appointed time.

    Blessings
     
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    I never saw that but don't doubt for a second its truthfulness. He hates the United States. It's evident but the folks who are voting for him don't seem to care.

    I sure wouldn't have laughed cause I've traveled a lot in Europe and saw what they are doing over there. It's crazy.

    I did the same thing the minute they released it. And said "you have got to be kidding me?" Three years he doesn't release this thing and then when he does it's an obvious doctored document. But again, just like during the '08 election cycle, half of the public doesn't care what he does or what he has done.


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    Apparently so does Obama. If he doesn't, then that speaks to who is really controlling things and Romney doesn't stand a chance.

    And thought the LDS Church hasn't destroyed any towers, it has ushered far more folks into an eternal hell than did the collapse of those towers.


    His truth is steeped in deception. We don't know what he really approves of. And no, he doesn't bow to the king of Saudi Arabia. He bows at the feet of satan and the false god he has helped him and the other Mormons to fashion.


    The issue is Jesus Christ. Many want it to be who is better for the country and the answer to that is NEITHER as they are both against Christ.
     
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    Bill,
    I also voted for Carter the FIRST time, after having voted for Nixon in 72. In 80, I switched back to Reagan, as the 76 vote was obviously a mistake. However, candidates back then, regardless of your political stance, were not out shouting pro abortion and gay rights, while making it the law of the land. That today is no less than rubbing the Lord's nose in sin, after he has blesssed this nation to where common citizens live better than royalty of yesteryear. We spent more on food and medical care for dogs and cats than some nations spend on feeding their entire population.

    This election has been the most obnoxious, frustrating, and no win event I have ever seen in my life. It has reached this low point by a gradual decline starting with the election of Goerge Bush in 1988. The candidates on both sides have been horrrible, and it has gotten worse each successive election.

    When I walked into the voting booth in 2008, it took every fiber in my being to push the lever for McCain. I never thought it could get worse, but guess what???? So, shortly after that I joined the Constitution Party. I was selected as a delegate to the National Convention this year. First of all, the other six delegates did not show up. The states that did bother to show up seemed more interested in having a party than effecting change. The nominee is a boring, uninspiring speaker that puts one to sleep. I doubt he could talk his mother into going out to eat with him.

    I was so frustrated after the Convention, I rejoined the Republican Party. I could not vote in the primary because we have a closed primary state. So having experienced the third party route, what is left? Mitt Romney, and it is a crying shame that one is forced almost to vote for that quality of candidate. Look at the comments in these posts. "I am going to vote for him because he believes in a less false god than Obama." "Romney will cause less harm to the nation." "Well, he says he is pro life and pro marriage despite his record as governor of Massachussetts."

    First of all, we base our vote on the word of Mitt Romney who is a politician. Secondly, abortions and gay rights issues have advanced under both parties. Democrats like Obama push the agenda, and Republicans give rousing speeches about family values and life, yet do nothing. They are nothing more than pandering for votes on the blood of the innocent.

    This is our lot, and this is what we have come to. It is well what we deserve. We are the most selfish group of people who ever walked the earth.

    Despite that, I am voting for Mitt Romney, because I have no choice. And by the way, may the Lord forgive us for that, and all this nation has done to His Holy Word after the way He has blessed us. IMO, voting for Carter will take a lot less forgiveness than voting for Romney or Obama.
     
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    And that's what I've preached. As the predicament the country is in is because of OUR wickedness, not the wickedness of the lost. And supporting that which is against God is a continuation of that wickedness no matter what brush we paint it with.

    2 Chr. 7:19-22 says “But if you turn away and forsake the decrees and commands I have given you and go off to serve other gods and worship them, 20 then I will uproot Israel from my land, which I have given them, and will reject this temple I have consecrated for my Name. I will make it a byword and an object of ridicule among all peoples. 21 And though this temple is now so imposing, all who pass by will be appalled and say, ‘Why has the Lord done such a thing to this land and to this temple?’ 22 People will answer, ‘Because they have forsaken the Lord, the God of their fathers, who brought them out of Egypt, and have embraced other gods, worshiping and serving them—that is why he brought all this disaster on them.’”

    In supporting that which is against God, we are forsaking God in the same way as He told Israel to not.

    Come Lord Jesus Come.
     
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    There is no way I am voting for Obama, but the thought crosses ones mind that you might as well to shove it down the throats of the liberal, lying, blood vote pandering Republicans that have taken us down the primrose path since Reagan left office. I am so sick of pretending conservatives like Mitch McConnell, who are nothing but self indulgent slobs at our expense I could scream. It is an outrage that we the people allow these sad excuses for human beings use the Word of God to win elections. They are nothing more than the money changers and the Pharisees with their eyes squinted while praying to see who noticed.

    One train of thought is that if we are going to be an evil nation, then be an evil nation. Vote for Obama who is at least honest about it.
     
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    Yes.

    So true.

    Yes you do have a choice. But I understand why you will vote for him.

    Excellent post.
     

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