God changes his mind often?

Oh? Well, maybe it's just God and me, bc I know that all who believe on His Son are chosen to salvation. Every one of them! Do you suppose the Sproul was just acting "coy?" Why does he not know?

I also know, like web points out, that anyone who is regenerated before they hear the gospel has been regenerated/born again of something or someone other than God. In the case of regereneration, the only one that preaches this gospel in Calvinism so they have been regenerated unto Calvin by Calvinism;s gospel.

skypair

 

But you are pretty happy with your child up until that moment, right? Or are you "sorry" all the time and that wasn't a "change of mind?"

God never changes His CHARACTER but He often changes His DEALINGS with men. One day He rejoices that you received Christ -- the next He is grieved that you committed as sin. He may not even talk to you until you confess that sin, right? Yet the day before, He was willing to bless you with all good blessings!

Your tale merely confirms that God changes His mind. Have you ever been frustrated and gotten bitter instead of praying? If you tried praying, you realize that sometimes the praying clears your mind and you see the "way out" from God. If you don't, you're left with your "stinkin' thinkin' bc God doesn't answer those who grieve and quench Him as quickly. You have that choice and God will respond quite differently depending on which you choose.

skypair

 

We know that all who believe will be saved, but we don't know why God chose who He chose "to/for" salvation. If God had chosen everyone for salvation, then everyone would be saved. Otherwise, God's choice/decree would be invalid and powerless.

Regarding your second point, as far as I can tell, everyone regardless of whether they're cal/non cal, believes that God must do something in a person's heart before they can believe. Cals call it regeneration. Non Cals call it conviction. Either way, man is powerless to seek God on his own. So who are the non Cals "regenerated unto"?

I think your hatred for Calvinism has clouded your ability to make sense.

 

How do you know this? Where is the scripture that says that we are not born again before we can hear the Gospel? I'm calling you on this sky. Show us where you can *know* "that anyone who is regenerated before they hear the gospel has been regenerated/born again of something or someone other than God." What you are saying is that those of us who believe this are not of God. You are spreading strife among brothers. If you can not prove this, then you need to repent of bearing false witness.
Proverbs 6
16. There are six things which the LORD hates, Yes, seven which are an abomination to Him:
17. Haughty eyes, a lying tongue, And hands that shed innocent blood,
18. A heart that devises wicked plans, Feet that run rapidly to evil,
19. A false witness {who} utters lies, And one who spreads strife among brothers.

 

If you have passed from death to life...what would the need to even HEAR the Gospel be

Likewise, can you supply the Scripture stating regeneration happens prior?

 

Yep...I've been there and done that too. I've told people before that it's amazing how I can be totally angry with my hubby over some argument when we walk into church and before we leave, I have a total change of heart and mind. I can't be in God's house and worship Him and still harbor anger against hubby over something eternally insignificant. I'm an imperfect human, though.

I do see your point, as far as how God deals with us. Yes, He may not speak to us when we have unconfessed sin, but has He really changed His mind? Does He love me any less the moment I sin than He does when I lift my hands to praise Him? I don't think so...He just shows disappointment, much as I would by sending my child to his/her room and not speaking to them until I've had a chance to calm down and they've had a chance to think about their actions.

Oh no...did I just admit to lifting my hands on a Baptist board? Please don't throw any stones... :tonofbricks:

 

Dear sweet Amy -- they are saved bc they believe unto repentance. God did not "decree" their salvation upon anyone. He "decreed" their "election" which is what life they should live after they are saved.

Yes, but let's not get terminology confused. If we are going to talk like theologians, let's know what theologians and the Bible mean.

As you can see in the post that follows yours, there are those who can't afford to be so indefinite with their terminology. Furthermore, if it was only conviction, some Cals would be screaming to high heaven that man saved himself or that God doesn't "woo" us but "drags" us, etc.

I apologize if this, to you, is an insignificant debate. The significance I find is the one web raised --- if you are regenerated before you heard the gospel, then who were they regenerated to? Or are they just presuming that they are regenerated in the first place?

skypair

 

It's easy as 1-2-3 -- 1Pet 1:23 => "Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever." If you are born again before you hear the gospel, you are clearly born of CORRUPTIBLE seed, RB. However, if you hear the gospel and believe, you are born again of INCORRUPTIBLE seed.

Got that?

skypair

 

It's a little more serious than that, youngmom. His plan for you is all good -- "All things work for good for them who are saved and called according to His purpose."

But consider this: You can "sin unto death" as a Christian! That's definitely not what God has in mind, is it? Or you can share in the "wrath of God upon the children of disobedience" if you happen to be running with them.

God says, "I know the plans I have for you, for good and not for evil." But what happened? God won't impose His will when you are in rebellion. He breaks fellowship with you first off. He changes His mind about your immediate future.

We must "believe that He is and that He is a rewarder of them who diligently seek Him," right? That is, He changes His mind in a positive way when we seek Him.

I don't know about you but this is so crystal clear to me. I've had times -- some for months, some for minutes -- where I have been angry and bitter with God rather than calm and seeking Him. Know what? Those times I was bitter, I completely lost out on opportunities God had for me. And not just little ones either! We're talking 27 year cushy career rather thatn 16 year turbulent career! I can see it plain as day now and I just let it slip away.

A personal God interacts with us continuously. And I have learned more and more to seek Him continually if by chance there is an opportunity I am missing to receive the life He has planned.

skypair

 

No.

But one thing I do know. I am a child of God...

Romans 8:16 The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God:


HankD​

 

And here would be where we do not see eye to eye; you obviously do not believe once saved, always saved, and I do. So, I don't believe God changes His mind about that either. I may lose out on some of His blessings when I am in rebellion, but that doesn't mean He changed His mind about giving them. It only means that I have cheated myself out of those blessings because of my wrong actions. Not His fault, but mine.

 

I'm OSAS as well. The "dealings" I am referring to are just everyday matters. But think about the last time you rebelled. What might God have done and how might the outcome have been different if you had gone His way and not yours? Don't just think about the initial difference now --- you've lived some time to see how your way worked out. Where would you be if you had surrendered to God? Maybe more peace in your life? Different job (than driving that big rig)? :BangHead:

There's certain things I look back on to help me make my choices in the future.

skypair

 

How you can get that out of ......... oh never mind.
If I am born again before I hear the Gospel, I am born again of the Spirit of God so that I can now hear the Gospel. Got that?

 

Being regenerated means that we have been born again, given a new nature that is able to respond to the Gospel web. You know this is what we believe.
Sure I can supply the Scripture........ it is John 1:13. It says we are born again of God, not an exercise of our will... but His.

 

To get back to the OP and in defense of Dr.Hyles. It would take alot more for me to believe that Dr.Hyles had openly theistic views.

This one quote that was given did not have enough information in it for an educated assumption or conclusion to be made. The context surrounding this statement and the research done to see if he retracted this statement or realized it was in error at a later date is not there.

If more was given such as several instances where these views were openly a part of his preaching and teaching in books or other media then we could truly question if his views were ones that lined up with open theism.

I would hope that we would not surmise the views of someone who is no longer living with one quote. God forbid that some one would do that to me and pick something I said that was said with every good intention of making a point about scripture. But using words or analogies that made it seem as if I held a certain belief that I in fact with full knowledge would other wise reject as Biblical or my personal view.

I have heard many people make a statemant about God that would put them in a category they do not put themselves in or hold to simply based on human error. How many times have we tried to illustrate a point and did not use the correct words to explain it ? I know I have.

Can we give him the benefit of the doubt ? I hope we can. Despite what we feel personally about his life and ministry, can we at least serach every avenue to ensure that the message we send about his beliefs were well sought after and can be seen in a pattern and not one instance.

 

Rom 10:13 For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
Rom 10:14 How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?
Rom 10:15 And how shall they preach, except they be sent? as it is written, How beautiful are the feet of them that preach the gospel of peace, and bring glad tidings of good things!
Rom 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?
Rom 10:17 So then faith [cometh] by hearing, and hearing by the word of God.

 

Wrong thread

 

Who grants the "hearing?" The Holy Spirit of God opens the ears to be able to hear the Gospel. The eyes of our hearts are enlightened to the Gospel.

 

God does of course, to everyone.