God hates all workers of iniquity.

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  1. Mark Osgatharp

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    This topic has been discussed on the Baptist Board before, but there are some who are still contending that God does not hate persons. The Bible says He does. The fifth Psalm says:

    "The foolish shall not stand in thy sight; thou hatest all workers of iniquity. Thou shalt destroy the bloody and deceitful man."

    Observations:

    1. It is persons, not just deeds that God hates.

    2. It is all workers of inquity that God hates, not just selective ones.

    3. The specific sinners the Psalm mentions as being hateful to God are deceivers and bloody men.

    I contend that any doctrine of God's "love" that does not take His categorical hatred of all sinners into consideration is critically flawed.

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    So you agree with Fred Phelps that "God hates fags"?

    People who serve a God of love tend to be loving people. People who serve a god of hate tend to be hateful people.

    I suppose you also would take this to heart:

    Luke 14:26 "If any one comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.
     
  3. JamesJ

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    And the 50th Psalm ends with:

    16But unto the wicked God saith, What hast thou to do to declare my statutes, or that thou shouldest take my covenant in thy mouth? 17Seeing thou hatest instruction, and castest my words behind thee. 18When thou sawest a thief, then thou consentedst with him, and hast been partaker with adulterers. 19Thou givest thy mouth to evil, and thy tongue frameth deceit. 20Thou sittest and speakest against thy brother; thou slanderest thine own mother’s son. 21These things hast thou done, and I kept silence; thou thoughtest that I was altogether such an one as thyself: but I will reprove thee, and set them in order before thine eyes. 22Now consider this, ye that forget God, lest I tear you in pieces, and there be none to deliver. 23Whoso offereth praise glorifieth me: and to him that ordereth his conversation aright will I shew the salvation of God.

    I am really amazed at how we always hear about God's love and so rarely hear about God's justice, righteousness, and holiness.

    Why is that?
     
  4. Mark Osgatharp

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    I agree with David that God hates "all workers of iniquity." That means God hates sodomites, liars, theives, drunkards, coveteous persons, adulterers, fornicators, witches, heretics, bloody persons, disobedient children, envious, blasphemers, idolater, cowards, gossips, false accusers, unmericful and if there be any other sinner named under heaven.

    That means God hates me, you, my momma, your granny, Fred Phelps and all his children.

    And you don't?

    Mark Osgatharp
     
  5. Gina B

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    Oh Mark, please stop! Where is the love? How could you make such a hateful post? God loves everything and everybody despite their "differences". :rolleyes:
    Gina
     
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    What a great Christian! Yes, we should definitely incorporate more hate into our daily lives. :rolleyes:
     
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    God does love all men. He IS love. In God, we find infinite agape that knows no bounds. He loves all that He has created.

    At the same time, we know that God hates. The Bible doesn't dance around the subject.

    God loves and hates at the same time. However, that is not what we have been commanded to do. We are commanded to love, for that sets us apart and marks us as Christians.

    God loved homosexuals so much that He sent His Son to die for them. So why do CHristians hate them so much?
     
  8. Gina B

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    I agree. We've come to love sin, or at the least tolerate or accept it.
    We definitely should learn a little more hatred and intolerance!
    And unlike my previous post, this one is meant in all seriousness.
    Gina
     
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    I don't know about God hating you, but He LOVES ME! Following your logic, He hated us so much that He sent His only begotten Son to die for us. :confused:

    I can go openly before my Lord in prayer and tell Him my deepest thoughts. Why would I do that to someone who hated me??? [​IMG]
     
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    God hates everyone???

    But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, Even when we were dead in sins

    God loveth a cheerful giver

    For the Father himself loveth you

    God is love

    But I say unto you, Love your enemies

    love thy neighbour as thyself

    ye have not the love of God in you

    But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us

    the God of love and peace shall be with you

    the fruit of the Spirit is love

    as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us (While we were sinners)

    O man of God, flee these things; and follow after ...love

    But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared

    And the Lord direct your hearts into the love of God

    I John 4:8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love. 9 In this was manifested the love of God toward us, because that God sent his only begotten Son into the world, that we might live through him. 10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

    God loves sinners, God hates sinners. You can't have it both ways, if love and hate are opposites like on and off, up and down, in and out. You must reconcile the two. God hates workers of iniquity, I work iniquity, therefore God hates me. Not true. Example: I hate liars, my wife lies, therefore, I must hate my wife. Not true. I love my wife, my wife lies, therefore, I love liars. Not true. I love a liar but, I don't love liars. God hates sinners (true) but God also loves each sinner.
     
  11. Mark Osgatharp

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    Artimaeus,

    Ah, but the Scriptures do indeed have it both ways and if you think there is a contradiction between the two then you misunderstand one or the other, or both.

    "Thou hatest all workers of iniquity."

    "For God so loved the world."

    Go and learn what both of these statements mean and then you will have learned the true glory of the blessed gospel of the Son of God....and not until then!

    Mark Osgatharp
     
  12. MaryKay

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    I understand that God hates the sins I commit but loves me as His Child and forgives me as I ask. Mk
     
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    Does God hate me?

    He hates my sin and is wrathful toward it. If it were not for the righteousness of Christ imputed to me at salvation, God would not be able to look upon me.

    God must love me if he revealed Himself to me through His Son. Without that, I have no hope. I praise Him for His mercy and grace. Blessed by His name.

    That being said, there are consequences for the sins we commit as Christians. Yes, God forgives us, but does he remove the consequences of our actions?
     
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    Artimaeus,

    Ah, but the Scriptures do indeed have it both ways and if you think there is a contradiction between the two then you misunderstand one or the other, or both.

    "Thou hatest all workers of iniquity."

    "For God so loved the world."

    Go and learn what both of these statements mean and then you will have learned the true glory of the blessed gospel of the Son of God....and not until then!

    Mark Osgatharp
    </font>[/QUOTE]"You can't have it both ways." Bad phrase on my part. What I meant is, you can't have it the way most people mean it when you say "hate" and "love". These two common concepts are: Hate means you don't love and love means you don't hate. In THAT sense you can't have it both ways.

    We are all taught and most believe, that God is a God of love, and loves every single person in the whole world, and doesn't hate us. Now you come along and with a couple of verses attempt to tear down that concept.

    I contend that any doctrine of God's "hate" that does not take His categorical love of all sinners into consideration is critically flawed.

    Explain yourself.
     
  15. KenH

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    God does not create beings to hate them - at the beginning, in the middle, or at the end. A gospel of hate is an oxymoron and has no business being promulgated by those who claim to be followers of the Savior of the world.
     
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    Mark, you are right. The problem most people have is with the word "hate". Plain and simple biblically it means "reject". I reject wharever or whoever God rejects. The scripture you used Psalms 5:5, simply means God rejects the workers of iniquity. God uses the word hate so that is fine with me.

    Are we to hate(reject) also. Here is a scripture that will answer that. Psa 94:16 Who will rise up for me against the evildoers? [or] who will stand up for me against the workers of iniquity?
    You can also use Eccl. chapter 3 where it states there is a time of love and a time to hate.

    Now this is the growing up part for us as Christians. We can hate(reject) the sin and the sinner and still have compassion(love) for them at the same time. We just need to look upon sin and the sinner as God looks upon them.
     
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    What I don't understand in this thread is that Mrak posted the Verse and wrote it out in plain English. But, there are some here who are saying that it is not true. Is God's Word not true?
     
  18. Jailminister

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    HCL, Remember we are in the great falling qway period where apostasy is growing. There has been a doctrine of God loves everybody for many years, but people have a misunderstanding of how God loves(compassion) and hates(rejects) at the same time.
     
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    Can someone explain to me about the apostasy. Do you believe the falling away is saved people or unsaved who profess Christ?

    I see it here and in the local church. It may be a topic for another thread, sorry to take this thread another direction, but I have been pondering this subject for a while now.
     
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    Oh, but, Ken, you are misinterpreting Mark's post and you have been suckered in by Universalism! :eek:

    God does hate. Not only sins, but people too.

    He also hates these things:

    Prov 6:16-19
    16 These six things the LORD hates,
    Yes, seven are an abomination to Him:

    17 A proud look,
    A lying tongue,
    Hands that shed innocent blood,

    18 A heart that devises wicked plans,
    Feet that are swift in running to evil,

    19 A false witness who speaks lies,
    And one who sows discord among brethren.
    NKJV

    Does God not hate Adolf Hitler?

    Does God not hate Saddam Hussain?

    Does God not hate Osama bin Laden?

    Does God not hate the abortionist?

    Does God not hate Pol Pot? Click here.

    Even psychologists say there is a thin line between love and hate. [​IMG]

    With God, His ways are perfect. He has Perfect Love and Perfect Hate.
     

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