God must be sad!

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  1. religious-liberty

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    Hi Pastor Wolf,

    The pastor of First Baptist Church of Monthgomery, Alabamawas was quoted as saying "that the traditions and culture of America are that it is a Christian country"

    So was Rome's tradition Christian. So was Germany's...so IS England. But there was no fire in the churches.

    It is when we understand that our power does not come from the crutch of government or culture that we will turn this world upside-down for Christ. I believe we are revealing that we are not really for Christ as much as you are for America.

    I heard a message preached a message recently entitled,

    "Are we Christian Americans or American Christians?" To me there is a great difference.


    What are these Christians spending so much time lamenting govermental things. Rome was so corrup...yet the Earky Church loved people into the kingdom one by one.

    Maybe Satan is very happy that we are seem to be about this "busywork" of governmental things.

    Why do we not follow the New Testament model?
     
  2. Jailminister

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    RL said
    Rome has never been Christian. Germany as a whole has never been Christian. Church of England was never Christian. They were Catholics. NOT CHRISTIAN.
     
  3. Jailminister

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    I just visited a pro-homosexual message board and copied what one of the posters poster. Please read:

    Notice they are confirming what we have been saying. The humanist want God out of society. WAKE UP!!!!!!!
     
  4. Johnv

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    I assume that you mean "secular humanism". (humanisn is simply the study of humanities)Favoring the removal of Judge Moore's display does not constitute alignment with secular humanism. Whether one favors saving the monument or removing the monument, your view is not a sin, and is not morally wrong.
     
  5. religious-liberty

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    At the time of Nazi germany...Germany was the MOST protestant nation on the earth!

    Hitler was very successful at wedding god and country and maniplating the churches...except for a few dissenters.

    Yes, to be a good Roman you were a good Christian...Constantine saw to that.


    The queen of England IS THE HEAD of the church of England.

    face it...when nations seek to wed god and country...they become corrupted!
     
  6. Ben W

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    We need to be carefull that we never become like the Zelot's in the Bible who are people that are unable to distinguish between their religious belief and their political affiliation.
     
  7. Matt Black

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    I am a Christian first and foremost, then a Brit or a European a poor second. I fail to see what Christianity has to do with nationalism; to me they are pretty antithetical. To say that the US has or is a 'Christian culture' (whatever that means) is as absurd as we Brits were 100 years ago when we talked of our 'Christian Empire'.

    Yours in Christ

    Matt
     
  8. ScottEmerson

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    Notice they are confirming what we have been saying. The humanist want God out of society. WAKE UP!!!!!!! </font>[/QUOTE]So what is the best way to reach these lost and dying people? To stomp louder? To make more noise? To dig our heels and yell, "We're right!"?

    Or to love them? Tor reach out to them? To spend our time feeding the sick, giving water to the thirsty, and giving clothes to the naked. The world is changing - the only way Christians can continue to be relevant is by following the timeless commands of Jesus Christ - not by acting the way the people outside of Montgomery did yesterday.

    I heard a preacher yelling at the people taking down the monument yesterday. He told them that "God doesn't want you to do what you are doing." I thought to myself that God probably didn't want the protesters out there protesting either.
     
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    Well, the government has removed the Ten Commandments now (among other things).

    You may think this is a 'one-time' deal. It's NOT! It is just a stepping stone to remove ANYTHING Godly from view!

    When are they going to start padlocking the churches and confiscating our Bibles? [​IMG]
     
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    RL said:
    1st, Nazism is the opposite of Christianity. The Catholic church was dominate along with protestant(children of the pope). If you are implying that Hitler was Christian, you are so for off. Hitler confiscated King James Bibles and hid them. He had not only extra-marital affairs, but also homosexual affairs. He murder people mercifully. THAT IS NOT CHRISTIAN.

    Rome was under the Pope not Christ. Constantine was a forcer of Catholicism, not Christianity.

    England, Had the Church of England, under the POPE. Read your history.

    You said "when nations seek to wed god and country...they become corupted." Iam glad you said god not God. That is what is happening to us today. The god of humanism is corrupting this country. God never has and never will.

    WAKE UP!!!!
     
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    That is a slippery slope argument and a logical fallacy. Not once has the ACLU or any other organization tried to tell any church that we couldn't worship. Ever. In fact, if you were to understand about the ACLU, they want to make sure that Christians have the right to worship however and wherever they want, provided it doesn't infringe on the rights of others.
     
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    That is a slippery slope argument and a logical fallacy. Not once has the ACLU or any other organization tried to tell any church that we couldn't worship. Ever. In fact, if you were to understand about the ACLU, they want to make sure that Christians have the right to worship however and wherever they want, provided it doesn't infringe on the rights of others. </font>[/QUOTE][​IMG] [​IMG] [​IMG]
     
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    My goodness, Scott E. What next. Now you are defending the perverts of the ACLU.
    Here some of there great [​IMG] History:
    1920's and 1930's
    Founded by Roger Baldwin, 1920
    Several crucial leaders of the ACLU were members of the Communist Party. Earl Browder, then General Secretary of the Communist Party, said the ACLU functioned as "a transmission belt" for the party.


    1940's and 1950's
    In 1945 the ACLU opposed laws requiring prostitutes to submit to examinations or vaccinations, saying these violated the women's rights to "medical liberty."
    In 1957 the board of directors declared that it was not the business of the ACLU "to evaluate the social validity of laws aimed at the suppression or elimination of homosexuals."


    1960's
    The ACLU's increasing success in the courtroom brings it a growing notoriety and increasing access to powerful financial and political resources.
    In the late 60's American culture's increasing hostility toward Christian values frees the ACLU to make aggressive legal assaults on organized religions.
    In 1967 the ACLU adopted a "pro-choice" position on abortion.


    1970's
    In 1975 the ACLU came out in favor of special rights for homosexuals.
    In 1977 the ACLU initiated its "Reproductive Freedom Project" that, over the next 16 years, utilized 17 full-time employees and a budget of $2 million.


    1980's
    In 1986 the ACLU created its "Lesbian and Gay Rights" project.
    September 1986 - The ACLU successfully sues fifth grade public school teacher Kenneth Roberts, forcing him to remove his personal Bible from his classroom desk. Roberts kept the Bible on top of his desk, and he read from it during his class’ silent reading time. He never read it to his students or told them they had to read it. (Contrast this to the ACLU’s actions in February and March, 2001, in Anaheim, California. This time, the ACLU threatened to sue the public school board if they did not put pro-homosexual propaganda on the shelves of the high school library.)
    In 1988 the ACLU barred a doctor from telling a Kansas man's former wife that her ex-husband had tested positive for AIDS. In the words of the director of the ACLU's Privacy and Technology Project, "The benefits of confidentiality outweigh the possibility that somebody may be injured."
    In 1989 the government granted tax exemptions for Satanists - a position the ACLU has supported.


    1990's
    In 1992 the ACLU persuaded a judge to approve adoption of a young boy by his mother's lesbian partner.
    In 1993 in Pennsylvania the ACLU successfully opposed parental approval for teaching about substance abuse or human reproduction and forbade any discussion of morality and violence.
    In 1995 the ACLU spoke out against the Flag Amendment which would have banned burnings and desecrations of the American flag.
    March 1995 - The ACLU files a lawsuit against Alabama Circuit Judge Roy Moore to force him to discontinue prayer in his courtroom and remove a Ten Commandments plaque from the wall behind his bench. Judge Moore countersued, asking a state court to resolve the constitutionality of official acknowledgements of God. This was the beginning of an ongoing, on-again off-again series of legal battles between the ACLU and Judge Moore.
    In 1996 the ACLU convinced the Supreme Court to overturn Colorado's "Amendment Two," regarding homosexual special rights.
    In 1996 the ACLU worked with senators to defeat legislation providing federally-funded cash vouchers to students in Washington D.C.'s religious schools.
    In 1997 the ACLU successfully beseeched the Supreme Court to protect the rights of pornographers on the Internet - including the right to show their images to children.


    2000 - Present
    May 2000 - Arizona Governor Jane Hull issues a proclamation celebrating the birth of Buddha. An ACLU spokesperson said, “Although we may think proclamations are inappropriate, they may not violate the Constitution.” (In 1998, when Governor Hull issued a proclamation declaring a “Bible Week,” the ACLU sued, claiming a violation of the so-called “separation of church and state.”)
    Janurary 2001 - At a press conference co-hosted by Planned Parenthood President Gloria Feldt, ACLU President Nadine Strossen lambasted Attorney General nominee John Ashcroft. Strossen claimed he had a “fundamental disdain for the Constitution,” simply because he is pro-life, pro-family, favors common-sense restrictions on virtual (Internet) child pornography, and questions the notion of the so-called “separation of church and state.”
    April 2002 - The U.S. Court of Appeals for the Tenth Circuit struck down a Colorado law requiring parents be notified when their underage daughters sought abortions. The ACLU supported the suit to have the law struck down.
    April 2002 - The U.S. Supreme Court struck down major portions of the Child Pornography Protection Act, which prohibited Internet porn hawkers from making "virtual" child pornography. The ACLU immediately declared victory, calling it a triumph for "free speech."
    January 2003 - The Hawaii branch of the ACLU filed suit to remove a requirement from a public school honor code that students pledge their “love for God.” Without going to court, the school backed down.
    February 2003 - A federal district judge prohibited Florida officials from blocking an anti-war demonstration at a public park that featured a peace symbol at a public park, comprised of nude bodies. Said an ACLU attorney, “For these demonstrators, nudity is an essential part of their political expression.”
     
  14. ScottEmerson

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    So what you're saying is that you agree that the ACLU has never tried to prevent Christians from having the right to worship however and wherever they want, providing it doesn't infringe on the rights of others?
     
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    Scott, might I suggest you take a look at the laws of a few other countries right now. The anti-Christian stance has reached a point in Victoria, Australia, for instance, where if anything you say, even a pastor during a sermon in church, offends anyone who is listening (even in your own home), you can be taken before the law. And in this case you are guilty until proven innocent! The Salvation Army can no longer preach on street corners. Public prayer meetings are now illegal.

    We aren't far behind. It will come. In the name of 'equality' and 'political correctness', Christianity -- as well as Judaism, and more than any other religion -- is going to be made, by back door steps, illegal.

    I pray the Lord comes soon.
     
  16. Jailminister

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    Scott E said:
    I am not saying that. The ACLU has represented a few religios organizations, but only to promote themselves. They have turned down hundreds of other religious groups, because it would not promote their(ACLU) cause.
     

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