Gog and Magog Are Beginning to.....

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AMEN Pastor Paul.....I'm excited and waiting to hear that trumpet!!

raying: Greg Perry Sr.

 

I have to disagree - Gog and the land of Magog isn't China, it's Russia and a coalition of muslim nations who come against Israel (as depicted in Ezekiel 38 & 39), in the latter days.

Proof that Gog and the Land of Magog are Russia:
Meshech and Tubal mentioned in Ezekiel 38 were the names of two of Japheth's sons, who was the son of Noah. Meshech and Tubal were also trading partners with Tyre, according to Ezekiel 27. So they probably inhabited the area south of the Black and Caspian seas - and today these areas are modern day Turkey, Russia and Iran - and it's interesting to note that all have a muslim majority population.

As far as Gomer and Beth Togarmah is concerned, Gomer was also a son of Japheth. The Gomers were the Cimmerians who populated Southern Russia. Togarmah was one of the sons of Gomer, and there was even a place in Turkey once called Tegarma/Tagarma or Takarma, so Togarmah refers to Turkey - a majority muslim state.

As far as I know, Turkey wasn't admitted as a member of the EU, so it will turn to Russia instead, concerning assistance with it's development, trade, economy, etc, etc.

In fact, today's Russians are the sons and daughters of the ancient Scythians. You will notice that the Great Wall of China is referred to as the wall of Al-Magog - it was built to keep the ancient Scythians (Russians) from invading China.

Other nations that form a coalition with Russia:
Persia - Iran (muslim)
Cush - which refers to northern Ethiopia and Sudan (Sudan is a muslim state)
Put - Libya (muslim)
"Many peoples with you" - other Islamic nations.

In fact China is mentioned in the Bible, but it must be first noted that every 5th person in the world today is Chinese, and China's population is around 1.3 billion. Besides that, China has a majority male population because they abort baby girls. In India it's the same and every 3rd person (correct me if I'm wrong) in the world is an Indian. I think North Korea would also be a member of this alliance.

Revelation 16:
The sixth angel poured his bowl on the great Euphrates River. The water in the river dried up to make a road for the kings from the east.

Because the Bible states "kings" (plural) as opposed to "king" (singular), it's obvious that there is more than one nation here that marches over the dried up Euphrates. This is the build up to Armaggedon, which is a separate war to that of the Gog-Magog war.

In the Gog-Magog war it's the Jews against the muslims and the Russians. Armaggedon is the war against heathen against Jesus Christ and his followers.

The fact that the 6th angel pours out his bowl on the River Euphrates tells us the timing of this war - it's at the end of the Tribulation, it's part of the bowl judgments. Whereas Ezekiel 38 tells us that Russia and her cohorts will invade Israel in a time of peace, when the cities will be without walls (which depicts assurance and trust). There is only one time Israel will think she's at peace - that's after the peace treaty is signed, when the Antichrist brings about a false peace.

It goes onto to say (and most people miss this part), in Ezekiel 39:
"It will take seven months for the house of Israel to bury them, in order to cleanse the Land" - it's going to take Israel 7 months to bury the dead of this war - which means that Jews are still in their land. Only once mid-tribulation has been reached, is Israel no longer in the land (as stated in Daniel's prophecy of the 70 weeks) - they are scattered once again, so that means this war happens just prior to the midpoint of the tribulation period, whereas the kings of the east march over the dried up riverbed of the Euphrates during the second half of the tribulation (during the bowl judgments).

I can't wait! He is our Blessed Hope.

 

Hard for me to get excited over headline eschatology. This is the same guesswork and conjecture that has gone on since time immemorial.


I will join with Patick, missionary to Ireland in the 5th century, who was looking for the 'soon advent of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.'

Hi return was imminent for John, it was imminent for Patrick, and it is imminent for me - without the headlines.

 

Oh yeah, His return is imminent, and looking at Bible prophecy and the ensuing wars, aren't you glad you'll be missing it all? I definitely am - I'll miss the Oracle of Damascus, the Gog-Magog war, Armaggedon, the plagues, the diseases, the heat, famine, nuclear warfare, and I can tell you I'm especially glad I won't be seeing the Antichrist!!

The Bible commands us though to heed Biblical Prophecy - so that we can warn others, so they may turn and believe on Him. My son is unsaved, and I tell him about what's gonna happen during the end times, I also pray every night that he is saved to join me in the rapture (if we're still alive), or the ressurrection (if we're dead).

Unlike you, this makes me terribly excited because it shows me God's greatness and power, and Bible prophecy is never conjecture or guesswork - it's fact. Yes, it has gone on since time immemorial, but Russia has never aligned with Iran before, like it is doing now, nor has China ever been as powerful as what it is right now. And the Biblical doctrine of an end-time apostasy has never been as rife as what it is now. I know the rapture is signless and that it can occur at any moment, but world events are moving into position for an end-times showdown of astronomical proportions, besides, we'll be returning with Christ to fight the Armaggedon war - the final confrontation when the armies of the Antichrist, as well as the Kings of the East surround Jerusalem:

Revelation 16:16: And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.

 

Well if His second coming is imminent, what makes you so sure "you'll be missing it all"?

 

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Because it all happens during the Tribulation Period and the Church is removed beforehand via the Rapture :wavey: The rapture happens before the Tribulation and it's imminent - He can come and fetch us at any moment before the donkey dung strikes the fan. :godisgood:

Isaiah 26:19-21 -
Thy dead [men] shall live, [together with] my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew [is as] the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

26:20 Come, my people, enter thou into thy chambers, and shut thy doors about thee: hide thyself as it were for a little moment, until the indignation be overpast.

26:21 For, behold, the LORD cometh out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity: the earth also shall disclose her blood, and shall no more cover her slain.

 

Where is that written in the Bible? Surely not in the passage you provided--it speaks of God's "people" hiding themselves in their own chambers (shutting their own doors about them)...not being snatched up into the sky seven years before the Second Coming.

 

Since the bible does not identify the names of these countries, we really have no idea, and assigning a name is only speculation for the sake of sensationalism.

 

I am excited, about Bible prophecy, not headline hermeneutics. We don't know who Gog and Magog are, we can guess, but thats it.

The contention the this is the first time that Russia and Iran have teamed up implies that Jesus COULD not come back until now, that flies in the face of His imminent return.

No signs are needed or helpful - He could have come back when John wrote - "Even so come Lord Jesus" and He may not return until the 2525. Basing eschatology on signs limits Him to our reading of the headlines.

 

Mat 16:3 And in the morning, It will be foul weather to day: for the sky is red and lowring. O ye hypocrites, ye can discern the face of the sky; but can ye not discern the signs of the times?

 

So you don't believe in an imminent rapture?

You accept man's interpretation of sensational headlines as indicators that finally the rapture can happen?

 

I have to agree with Roger here...
If you look at church history, headline prophets abound...

And since Paul and John both thought Christ's return was imminent, that means that headlines play no part of Christ's return...

For instance... the temple is spoken of during tribulation... so in order for there to be a temple, it must be built...

Some could say that since the temple is not built, Christ could not return until it is....

John was expecting Christ when he was alive... I do too...

Wars are rumors of war have been going on since the last days started.. (at pentecost) and Christ said they were labor pains...

Christ is coming.. .not because the signs look right.. but because He said so.

That is good enough for me...
That is all I need to know...
That is what the world needs to know...

If we teach them to trust in God's word, which says he is coming..
We don't need to teach them to read the headlines to prove he is.

 

This question is inapropriate. I have never suggested such. A more approrpiate question would be "Do you believe in an imminent return?" Yours is rather inflammatory.

Yet another inflammatory question. It appears that your emotions get raised on this issue. Just what headlines are sensational? I see these events as possible indicators that Christ's return is near. Prior to that there will be a rapture of the church and a tribulation period. Some incorrectly interchange the Rapture with Christ's return.

 

Not everything that disagrees with you is inflammatory. If signs are needed there is no imminence. Even looking for signs of the return is binding Christ to human interpretation of events, just saying it must REALLY be close because these things won't happen for another seven years.

Possible indicators? I agree. Just like we have had possible indicators since Acts 1.

Conjecture has been around for almost 2000 years and the Lord waits another 2000 years people will keep seeing signs in the news.

I don't need the news. I believe he can come back at any moment, no matter what the news says.

 

There is a distinc difference between disagreement and inflammatory. Asserting that I believe something I do not because you do not like what I said is inflammatory.

We still have the rapture and the tribulation period before Christ's return. In that Christ will return to rapture the church his return is iminent.

 

Question marks usually indicate a request for clarification. I apologise and will try to be more sensitive in the future.

Having said that, I still contend that NOTHING is needed to indicate the imminent rapture of the church. I am ready, regardless of the headlines construed to fit the Scriptures.

 

The battle that will include God and Magog will occur at the end of the tribulation period. If things are ramaping up in a way that leads us to believe that things are being more closely set for the tribulation period that could certainly be a sign that the rapture is to occur. It is possible that such a build up woudl occur only during the tribulation period. That we do not know either way.

 

Exactly...