hair length/head covering

I've met a lot of gents that want to judge a woman as sinful because she wears her hair short or does not cover it.

They believe the letter of the law is clear and plain and she should follow it.

Never met a one of those gents that follows Genesis 3:19 to the letter, eating only what they grow by the sweat of their own face tilling the ground. Every one of them liked air conditioners and grocery stores.

Let THEM learn to obey the clear teaching of scripture, and then come back and talk about our hair.

 

nodak,
Interesting point. Somewhere in my garage is a book self-published by an old-time preacher that does take the viewpoint that air-conditioning is sinful for men. For just that reason. Men in Genesis 3 should earn their income by the sweat of their brow.

 

:thumbs: AMEN sister!

 

Amen. Six days shalt thou labor . . .

 

Have you gone hunting for a serpent just to bruise his head today? [bruise him on the head-- you need to determine the serpent's gender first... right, Literal Vine?]

 

Oh my, in just a few days here, I sense the spirit that has and ever will divide we who are known as Baptists! :tonofbricks:

We know the serpent comment refers to Christ's triumph over Satan and has nothing to do with killing snakes though I run over or shoot any rattler I come across. Last thing we need is some old snake a sneakin' up on us.

It would seem that the serpent has done plenty of sneakin' up on a lot of people who call themselves Baptists and perhaps we could learn a might from the holiness people.

I've always foun it interesting that we holler out GRACE! GRACE! when we're looking for an excuse to sin or an excuse to not follow what the Bible says.

If I want to drink, I holler out GRACE!

If I want to be a hog, I holler out Grace!

If I want to go dancing or to the movie house I holler out Grace! Free from the law!

When I want to listen to worldly music or bring the devil's music into the church we holler Grace!

When women want to usurp authority over man or any of us don't want to follow clear biblical standards, we holler "Legalism" I'm under Grace!

We might do well to read what Paul says on the subject. Have we been bought with a price in order that we might sin?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying you ought to eat only herbs. We've been freed from much of the OT laws.

Howsome-ever, I do believe in work. And to the one with the comment about eating that which comes from the sweat of my brow, we have bought very little in our married life in the line of groceries. We have most of our own meat. We have eggs and milk. Praise God our place flows with milk and honey and we have our own bees. We raise a huge garden and Mrs. cans over a thousand jars a year. We go to the grocery store and there's no crime in that, however we don't buy any more than necessary and we try to take care of ourselves as much as possible. Too bad a few more folks out there don't get off their back side and do some productive work. You got a back yard, grow a garden. God planted the first one you know, so it's a scriptural principle. :godisgood:

I know God looks at the heart, but I remember an old Swedish preacher saying they'd have to have garbage cans along the route to heaven for the women to dump in their cosmetics and jewelry.

I desire the good old ways when to be a Baptist meant something. We didn't try to be like Protestants.

I'm afraid we're living in a luke warm age and people don't stand for hardly anything any more. We try to be all things to all people. Scared to be judgmental. Have to be politically correct. May God have mercy on this generation of weak kneed so called Christians who are more concerned with being like the world than they are with living for Christ, reading and following His word and winning the lost.

Let me ask, Have we won multitudes to Christ by dragging our standards down to the world's level?

I think not.

Yours seeking the old time way,
Dan

 

Walking in the old paths has to do with keeping our hearts right before God. It means loving God with all our heart, soul, and mind, and loving our neighbor as ourself. It doesn't have anything to do with a bunch of man made rules such as:

Women shall not wear slacks, or make-up, or jewelry, or hair above their shoulders.
Women shall not hold a job
Thou shalt not watch TV or movies
Thou shalt not dance at all
Thou shalt not associate with people who have tatoos
Thou shalt not pierce thy ears
The list goes on and on.

I think our man made rules have turned people against Christianity. I'm not saying we should walk hand in hand with the world, but following a bunch of made made rules does not equal true spirituality.

 

1 Corinthians 11:14
Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

 

How exactly does nature teach that? Even some male animals have long hair, lions for example.

 

Think about it,a man trying to work in any field is going to have trouble doing his job if his hair is hanging in his face.Some may say that he can put it back etc. but it is still going to get in the way.

We can also look at mankind,not animals.The verse here isnt speaking of/to animals,at least I dont think it is,it is speaking to man.Regardless of what the nature here is,it is a shame for a man to have long hair.

 

I don't think men working in fields is a very good example, since women have also been working in fields since Eve was evicted from the garden. :laugh: I just put my hair in a pony tail when it gets in my face. But, there must be something about nature that teaches us about this, but I have not figured it out.

 

One more stoopid deleted dubble post!

 

I don't know about any of who might agree or disagree, but -

"The last time a man mistakenly thought I was a woman, and then called me a 'sissy', I knocked him out when I hit him over the head with my purse!"

Signed, Max Klinger, Cpl., U. S. Army, temporarily stationed in a M*A*S*H unit in Korea

 

:laugh: :laugh: That's for both posts!

 

You're a riot!!! I disagree with most everything you say, but you are so comical when you get worked up!!!

Maybe it is time to venture out from the farm into the real world.

YOU will find:
Many, many good Christians that love the Lord that went to "The Passion of the Christ"
"women folk" cut their hair.
Women wearing pants that are holy Christian women that I would rather pray for me than you.
Makeup wearing prayer warriors, and witnesses for Christ...
YOu may even find a fat person or two that Christ is loving on.
You may even find some brethren at Applebees having a drink along with a good steak, or at Olive Garden having a nice wine with their italian meal.
And Gosh durn it, you might even find that those of us that sing CCM and go to Christian concerts love the Lord as much as you do.

But you will never find out if you continue to live in the past.

Step into the present, and allow God to take you where you have never been before.

BTW, the preacher that made a comment about women, trashcans, and makeup, was an idiot to make that comment.

Brother, it is ALL about GRACE...

If you want to bind yourself to the law, go ahead, but be prepared to keep all of it.

 

Well, if that "spirit" needs any help, it seems that you're always more than willing to do your part...sheesh.

I've always found it interesting that there are some folk that are convinced that God didn't give us enough rules...so they add a few more along the way.

OK, that makes absolutely no sense. Is bacon sin or something?

Why not just holler "condemnation!" Don't worry about those Pauline epistles...he didn't really mean that adding works to Salvation was wrong. Go right ahead.

Jesus had something to say to folks that called stuff He was doing "of the devil." But I won't spoil your surprise. You can look it up. I will give you a hint: It starts with "b," and ends with "lasphemy."

Why...is Grace your bartender or something? (I may not drink, but I do have a sense of humor)

Finally...we found common ground. Congrats.

Sounds like an old swedish preacher needs to learn a bit about Biblical context....and also how to avoid making ridiculous comments.

Honestly, I have won no one to Christ. Christ does the work--the miracle. I just tell them my story, and tell them His plan. But people 'round these parts are coming to the Lord, so I'm thankful.

Actually....I'm just seeking God's way. He can use old, new, ancient, whatever. As long as the way is His.

 

Traditions of men

I wouldn't categorize these as walking in the old paths, but rather as either traditions of men OR personal conscience issues.

Just because someone is convicted on something does NOT automatically make it a standard for righteousness for someone else.

If you don't want to watch tv, so beit. If you don't like CCM, don't listen.

However, it is unbiblical to judge those of us :wavey: who do NOT share those convictions.

It is very easy to actually fall from grace.

 

Exactly right!:thumbs:

 

1co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.

1co 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.

1co 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.

1co 11:6 For if the woman be not covered, let her also be shorn: but if it be a shame for a woman to be shorn or shaven, let her be covered.

1co 11:7 For a man indeed ought not to cover his head, forasmuch as he is the image and glory of God: but the woman is the glory of the man.

1co 11:8 For the man is not of the woman; but the woman of the man.

1co 11:9 Neither was the man created for the woman; but the woman for the man.

1co 11:10 For this cause ought the woman to have power on her head because of the angels.

1co 11:11 Nevertheless neither is the man without the woman, neither the woman without the man, in the Lord.

1co 11:12 For as the woman is of the man, even so is the man also by the woman; but all things of God.

1co 11:13 Judge in yourselves: is it comely that a woman pray unto God uncovered?
1co 11:14 Doth not even nature itself teach you, that, if a man have long hair, it is a shame unto him?

1co 11:15 But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering. So if the first verse says this1co 11:3 But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God. And a man and a women does this1co 11:4 Every man praying or prophesying, having his head covered, dishonoureth his head.

1co 11:5 But every woman that prayeth or prophesieth with her head uncovered dishonoureth her head: for that is even all one as if she were shaven.
Isn't this man and women that is doing this dishonoring God.?