Hebrews 6:4-6

quote from tentmaker;
When you say
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God dealt differently then than he does now.
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You must be very careful. God has revealed himself differently at different times and we have a much more complete revelation of him now than the Old Testament saints did, but God has not changed, the gospel has not changed and God's plan for my salvation is the same as Adam's.

How is your plan of salvation anything like Adams?

Did God have to sacrifice an Animal for a blood sacrifice to cover your sin?

NO.
I know all about typology so don't go there.
Look at the account in Genesis. Animals blood.

 

Lea here is what is is going on.
3 How that by revelation he made known unto me the mystery; (as I wrote afore in few words,
4 Whereby, when ye read, ye may understand my knowledge in the mystery of Christ)
5 Which in other ages was not made known unto the sons of men, as it is now revealed unto his holy apostles and prophets by the Spirit;
6 That the Gentiles should be fellowheirs, and of the same body, and partakers of his promise in Christ by the gospel:

 

That makes a nice tidy package but it is not scriptual. I've heard the statement many times but there is no scripture for it.
Now I know that noone gets to heaven but by Christ however the Old Test. saints were kept in paradise until the finished work of clavary.
They did not get to paradise unless the obeyed the Old Test set-up
To say that Adam or any ohter in the Old Test simply trusted Christ is not accurate.

See GAl 3 for proof text
21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
23 But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.
24 Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.
25 But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
26 For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.
27 For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

 

Example Old Test sins and forgiveness;

Lev.5:17 And if a soul sin, and commit any of these things which are forbidden to be done by the commandments of the LORD; though he wist it not, yet is he guilty, and shall bear his iniquity.
18 And he shall bring a ram without blemish out of the flock, with thy estimation, for a trespass offering, unto the priest: and the priest shall make an atonement for him concerning his ignorance wherein he erred and wist it not, and it shall be forgiven him.

Now that hardly matches 1 John 1:9

What I am establishing here is that there are divisions in the scripture. Many times people take these as contradictions.

 

Hey Craig nice to hear from you. I do not believe that a church age saint can lose their salvation however I do commend you for your understanding of the passage.
Let's talk my brother.

 

Hey Craig good posting! Look me up on some other threads. It's a blessing to have a student of the scriptures on board.

 

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Psr2, are you saying that the OT saints were in paradise because they followed the law? This says they were heirs of righteousness (saved) through faith.

Where does that passage say that anyone is born again, in Christ etc.

In the O.T there was no spiritual circumcision, no operation made without hands.
In the O.T. a persons soul and body are one that is why if you touched a dead animal your soul was defiled. Even after a sacrifice was made it did not seal you like we are sealed until the day of redemption.
When we are saved our soul is cut loose from the fleh. That is the operation made without hands. That is why when we sin we do not lose our salvation

 

Scripture? Love to.

1. Hank if there is no spiritual circumcision in the O. T. how can there be a scripture to back it up?

2.Num. 9:6 And there were certain men, who were defiled by the dead body of a man, that they could not keep the passover on that day: and they came before Moses and before Aaron on that day:
7 And those men said unto him, We are defiled by the dead body of a man: wherefore are we kept back, that we may not offer an offering of the LORD in his appointed season among the children of Israel?
8 And Moses said unto them, Stand still, and I will hear what the LORD will command concerning you.
9 And the LORD spake unto Moses, saying,
10 Speak unto the children of Israel, saying, If any man of you or of your posterity shall be unclean by reason of a dead body, or be in a journey afar off, yet he shall keep the passover unto the LORD.
11 The fourteenth day of the second month at even they shall keep it, and eat it with unleavened bread and bitter herbs.

Num 19:11 He that toucheth the dead body of any man shall be unclean seven days.
12 He shall purify himself with it on the third day, and on the seventh day he shall be clean: but if he purify not himself the third day, then the seventh day he shall not be clean.
13 Whosoever toucheth the dead body of any man that is dead, and purifieth not himself, defileth the tabernacle of the LORD; and that soul shall be cut off from Israel: because the water of separation was not sprinkled upon him, he shall be unclean; his uncleanness is yet upon him.
14 This is the law, when a man dieth in a tent: all that come into the tent, and all that is in the tent, shall be unclean seven days.

Num 19:16 And whosoever toucheth one that is slain with a sword in the open fields, or a dead body, or a bone of a man, or a grave, shall be unclean seven days.
17 And for an unclean person they shall take of the ashes of the burnt heifer of purification for sin, and running water shall be put thereto in a vessel:
18 And a clean person shall take hyssop, and dip it in the water, and sprinkle it upon the tent, and upon all the vessels, and upon the persons that were there, and upon him that touched a bone, or one slain, or one dead, or a grave:

9 Which was a figure for the time then present, in which were offered both gifts and sacrifices, that could not make him that did the service perfect, as pertaining to the conscience;
10 Which stood only in meats and drinks, and divers washings, and carnal ordinances, imposed on them until the time of reformation.

10 And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
11 In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
12 Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;
14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;