Help me understand something...

Dr Bob put that (original autographs) in there for a reason.

Yes, the King James Version would fall under the umbrella of the statement, but it is not the only translation that does so.

the KJVO position is not a fundamental of the faith since it is not a doctrine with Scriptural foundation. The Scripture indicates and affirms, in II Tim for example that God's Word is inspired, it does not however identify any particular family of manuscripts or any particular translation as the only one that can be relied upon as the very words of God. That belief system goes beyond an accurate literal historical interpretation of the text.

By the historical definition, it would be difficult to be both KJVO and fundamental

today fundamentalism has connotative definitions among some groups that might include such beliefs. as well as several others. However, these groups are not historic IFB in their doctrine or practice necessarily. Or perhaps it would be more accomodating to say these groups are not the only ones who should be considered historic IFB, the actual variation in belief and practice would be broader in many ways.

*superdave neatly tiptoed through that answer, huh!*

 

Stuperdave, I would have to say you are wrong, KJV is the text used in most, if not all Fundimental churches that I have ever steped foot into, the KJV may not be the actual Greek text, or Hebrew text, but the most acurate translation into English, of the Greek. The Hebrew text has major diffrences between the Greek, but thats another subject altogether. All the other versions are copyied from the King James Version, the rest are watered down versions of the King James Version, why settle for a copy when you could have the original?

 

Where did you get this from?!?!

This is totally false!

Why settle for the KJV when you can have a translation from older manuscripts than the KJV uses?

 

Here is a little know fact:

The KJV NT (Anglo-Catholic) and the Douay-Rheims NT (Roman Catholic) have about an 80-90% exact word for word agreement, many verses EXACTLY the same. Far too much to be a coincidence:

A random passage:

King James John 14
1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Duoay-Rheims John 14
1 Let not your heart be troubled. You believe in God: believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house there are many mansions. If not, I would have told you: because I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I shall go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself: that where I am, you also may be.
4 And whither I go you know: and the way you know.
5 Thomas saith to him: Lord, we know not whither thou goest. And how can we know the way?
6 Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me.

Problem: The KJV was published in 1611, the Douay-Rheims (New Testament) was published in 1582.

Better go buy yourself a Douay-Rheims if you want THE original.

HankD

 

While these facts may be true, they do not change the facts regarding the "fundamental" nature of the KJVO position. I may or may not agree that the KJV is the most accurate English version, but my experience with fundamental churches does not mirror yours. I have attended several churches that were KJVO that called themselves fundamental Baptist but were not. The experiential anecdotes do not mean anything. My church is an Independent Fundamental Baptist Church, and we do not hold the KJVO position, although it is used more often than not, and our K-12 school uses the KJV.

I stand by my earlier post as the KJVO position is not a part of the historical fundamentals, nor is it a necessary position for a church to hold to be considered IFB.

-Stuperdave

 

Being I'm the originator of this thread. I am gonna tell you right out.

First off, this was never really intended as a debate. </font>[/QUOTE]Maybe you didn't realize this is a debate forum.

 

Maybe you didn't realize this wasn't the versions forum

 

Being I'm the originator of this thread. I am gonna tell you right out.

second of all, you using SuperDave's User name in a slanderous manner is very unchristianlike, and I personally find it quite offensive. </font>[/QUOTE]in a debate forum, poeple will get offended, calm down brother

 

This is a Christian Board and a Baptist one at that, and I'd think you'd Baptist's would conduct yourself a bit more becoming of a Christian and not a thug. I think you owe superdave and the moderators an apology for your actions.

</font>[/QUOTE]Well, then Superdave, if I ruined your day, and caused you any anger, for my sillyness , then I apoligize. Will you please forgive me?

 

For my comments about your rant about the KJV. It was written by Men. Period. It's got errors, Deal with it. God would never allow his word to become that perverted as to obscure Bibical truths.

</font>[/QUOTE]Gos word is not have errors, it may have been written by the hands of men, but inspired by God, every word in the Bible is God's word period, deal with it, God does not pervert his word, Satan does.

 

Here is a little know fact:

The KJV NT (Anglo-Catholic) and the Douay-Rheims NT (Roman Catholic) have about an 80-90% exact word for word agreement, many verses EXACTLY the same. Far too much to be a coincidence:

A random passage:

King James John 14
1 Let not your heart be troubled: ye believe in God, believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.
4 And whither I go ye know, and the way ye know.
5 Thomas saith unto him, Lord, we know not whither thou goest; and how can we know the way?
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.

Duoay-Rheims John 14
1 Let not your heart be troubled. You believe in God: believe also in me.
2 In my Father's house there are many mansions. If not, I would have told you: because I go to prepare a place for you.
3 And if I shall go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and will take you to myself: that where I am, you also may be.
4 And whither I go you know: and the way you know.
5 Thomas saith to him: Lord, we know not whither thou goest. And how can we know the way?
6 Jesus saith to him: I am the way, and the truth, and the life. No man cometh to the Father, but by me.

Problem: The KJV was published in 1611, the Douay-Rheims (New Testament) was published in 1582.

Better go buy yourself a Douay-Rheims if you want THE original.

HankD </font>[/QUOTE]That is false, the information you have is untrue, and a lie, this is exactly how Satan tries confusing the Church, and divides it.