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Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by Jailminister, Nov 3, 2003.

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  1. Jailminister

    Jailminister New Member

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    Afghans to have Islamic republic

    A draft Afghan constitution has been unveiled, setting out a new political system and defining Islam's role in the country.
    Man prays in Kabul: Islam will have an important role
    It calls for the creation of an Islamic republic, with a presidential system, and where citizens have equal rights.

    The draft will be debated by a loya jirga grand assembly next month, paving the way for possible elections in 2004.

    A spokesman for President Hamid Karzai said Afghanistan needed stability and the new constitution was made with "the next 100, 200 years" in mind.

    The ceremony came as a delegation from the UN Security Council toured the country to examine post-war reconstruction efforts.

    The draft is based on Islamic principles and recognises that no law can be contrary to the sacred religion of Islam


    The UN envoys headed to the western town of Herat on Monday to meet Governor Ismail Khan who is often accused of ignoring central authority.

    Islamic republic

    The Constitutional Committee had been due to present the draft in September, but it was delayed for technical reasons.

    The draft was handed over at a formal ceremony with Mr Karzai, former King Mohammed Zaher Shah and foreign diplomats at Kabul's Presidential Palace on Monday.

    The 88-year-old ex-monarch said he hoped the new constitution "will direct people towards peace, security and democracy".

    The BBC's Sanjoy Majumder in Kabul says, under the constitution, the country would be called the Islamic Republic of Afghanistan.

    There would be a presidential form of government, with a vice-president and a parliament with upper and lower houses.

    Afghans would have equal rights, and there would be a drive to promote the education of women following their experiences under the Taleban.

    Long-awaited

    "The draft is based on Islamic principles and recognises that no law can be contrary to the sacred religion of Islam," the commission said in a statement.

    The unveiling has been long-awaited by ordinary Afghans, lawyers and experts who have been debating the constitution's likely provisions over the last few months.

    Hardliners have sought assurance that the constitution will not turn the country into a secular state. Others were pressing for the adoption of civil laws but in conformity with Islamic principles.

    The international community wanted to see that basic human rights were guaranteed and the rights of women protected.

    The constitution was drafted by the 35-member commission, which started work more than a year ago.

    Hundreds of thousands of questionnaires were sent to communities around the country asking for their views on a new constitution for the country. Those who could not read or write recorded their thoughts on tape.

    The above is from BBCNews
     
    #1 Jailminister, Nov 3, 2003
  2. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    If anyone has a problem with Afghanistan setting up a democracy with equal rights for everyone with an Islamic overlay, I must ask what did you expect to be done there? Did you think they would set up a western-style democracy with the 10 Commandments posted in all government buildings? Or did you expect us to keep our troops stationed and dying there for the next 100 years and not turn the country back to the citizens of Afghanistan?

    Let's be realistic. The predominate religion in that area of the world is Islam. The governments in that region will therefore be heavily influenced by Islam.

    If you don't like the results of President Bush's foreign adventurism, then you can express your displeasure on November 2, 2004 at the polling booth. There will be candidates on the ballot besides the two Demopublican candidates so there will be decent candidates to actually vote for. :cool:
     
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  3. Jailminister

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    Thanks for defending Islam and Bush, KenH
     
    #3 Jailminister, Nov 3, 2003
  4. KenH

    KenH Well-Known Member

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    I am not defending Islam. And I am certainly not defending Mr. Bush as I will not be voting for him in 2004.

    But tell us, Mr. Jailminister, what is your solution for Afghanistan? You are heavy on criticism, so be positive for a change and tell us what your solution is. :cool:
     
    #4 KenH, Nov 3, 2003
  5. Jailminister

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    Well, I would not have gotten involved with another countries business UNLESS the threat severe and threating to us. Then I would have gone in and set up our own government. That being said, that would never work because God established every nation and set their boundaries. We had no business being there.
     
    #5 Jailminister, Nov 3, 2003
  6. LadyEagle

    LadyEagle <b>Moderator</b> <img src =/israel.gif>

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    Jailminister, this is probably more information than you wanted to know, but here goes:

    It's all about oil and $$. The rich and powerful to become richer and more powerful. Been in the proverbial pipeline for years through many administrations. (No pun intended.)

    [​IMG]

    Source

    Another source:

    Source

    One day deals are being made with the Taliban in Texas and a few months later, our sons and daughters are there killing them and being killed and wounded, overthrowing them from power (like a drug deal gone sour) - they have suddenly become so terrible & such violators of human rights. (Which they were, but we knew that for years.) They suddenly became the enemy.

    Here's a patriotic link for a lot more info than you probably want to know. It'll take you hours to look through:

    http://www.apfn.org/old/apfncont.htm

    Terrorist bin Laden? He's skated for years, even though it was known he was the mastermind behind the first bombing of the WTC in 1993.

    Source

    It doesn't matter what administration, what party affiliation, it's all about power & greed -heading towards The One World Government as prophesied in the Bible. The American people have been had for decades. There are no patriots in government, just politicians.

    They tell the sheep what they think the sheep want to hear. There is no real war on terror. There is no real hunt for bin Laden. The Bush and bin Laden family go way back in the oil business - way back. It's all a lie. Nothing shocks or surprises me anymore. [​IMG]

    Even so, Come, Lord Jesus.
     
    #6 LadyEagle, Nov 3, 2003
  7. Johnv

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    I thought we went into Afghanistan to get rid of the Taliban, and give the people of Afghanistan the right to govern themselves. We did that.

    Now, the people of Afghanistan are in the process of governing themselves. So should we be upset because they're not governing themselves in a way that we want them to?
     
    #7 Johnv, Nov 4, 2003
  8. Matt Black

    Matt Black Well-Known Member
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    I did try to tell this to some of you nearly a year ago but got slammed as an anti-American liberal...

    Yours in Christ

    Matt
     
    #8 Matt Black, Nov 4, 2003
  9. LadyEagle

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    Johnv, the same thing will happen in Iraq. We don't think like they do and they don't think like us. Even Turkey which is held up as a model of an Islamic country supposed to be a "Democracy" still persecutes Christians. We can only pray some people will come to Jesus Christ as Savior in spite of everything.

    God is still working in hearts of those who are thirsting for something more than just a religion which cannot offer them hope.


    http://www.macproject.org/1040.html
     
    #9 LadyEagle, Nov 4, 2003
  10. Johnv

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    Persecution of a person because of religious bias is not a religious test for a country being a democracy. (although it is a pertinent, but separate, issue). In our own country's early years, a colonial government persecuted people for being witches. For 340 years, we persecuted a race of people and enslaved them based on their skin color. In the 40's, we persecuted a race of people by siezing their property and locking them up in armed concentration camps.

    In Iraq, if the people wish to form an Islamic republic, that is their freedom to do so, and their sovereign right.

    Of course, I think that the best form of government is one that has a separation of church and state (despite what folks like Judge Moore think), but it is for the people of Iraq to decide how to govern themselves.

    It's probably the Star Trek in me, but we need to take a "prime directive" approach when it comes to the right of peoples to govern themselves.
     
    #10 Johnv, Nov 5, 2003
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