Heresy?: Calvinism or Arminianism

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  1. OldRegular

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    I have noticed on this Forum that Calvinists and Arminians routinely refer to each other as heretics. Frankly, though I believe that Arminianism or “freewillism” is an erroneous interpretation of Scripture, I do not believe it to be heretical.

    I don't consider myself a Calvinist. I simply believe that the Doctrine of the Sovereign Grace of God in the Salvation of His Elect is the only correct interpretation of Scripture. That being said I will use the term Calvinism for simplicity.

    So my question is this: Can those of you who refer to those who adhere to either Calvinism or Arminianism as heretics provide Scripture that supports your accusation?
     
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    The term "heresy" is functionally useless when speaking with Baptists. We don't have one standard catechism to judge doctrine. Heresy seems to some to mean "everything I don't believe."
     
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    Unfortunately I fear you are correct.
     
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    The Bible very clearly defines heresy. I started a thread on this once perhaps it is archived somewhere.

    Niether Calvinists or Arminians can biblically be called heretics. Its just one of those words that gets thrown around more than it should.
     
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    Arminians and Calvinists by definition agree on the fundamental doctrines- but disagree on how salvation is actually applied. The only time I have referred to an Arminian as a heretic was when he had taken his beliefs to their ultimate conclusion and nullified the free-gift sacrifice by making it dependant on the will of man (which in turn becomes works salvation). I would equally rebuke a Calvinist who believes he has no duty to obey the great commission because he believes in unconditional election. The difference, however, is that the hyper-calvinist does not hold a belief that nullifies salvation, while the Arminian CAN. This is why a Calvinist can be unorthodox and even in doctrinal error, but less likely to be a legitimate heretic than an Arminian.
     
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    You refer to me as heretic simply because you don't see the truth in what I say. You are hardline calvinist, so indoctrinated in Calvinism that anything outside your box is heretical!
     
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    I have not called you a heretic in a public forum (to my recollection).

    To be truthful, I was actually indoctrinated by Arminianism all my life. I was brought to Christ by my father who went to Hyles and preached as an Arminian for over a decade, and I was indoctrinated with Arminianism at a Christian college for 3 1/2 years. I have only become a believer in the doctrines of grace one year ago this fall and no man or book besides scripture led me to this change. I was broken and humbled by the situation.

    Please do not accuse me of being indoctrinated by Calvinism when you don't even know me.

    Thank you.
     
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    The following post may be off topic but my hope is that it will help clarify my intent in starting this thread,

    We should understand that, as far as Christianity is concerned, the term heresy is applicable only to those who profess to be Christians. We could not accuse a pagan, a Muslim, or a Buddhist of being Heretics. We can accuse Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses of being heretics. Basically I am of the opinion that any belief that denies the true nature of God and His purpose in Salvation is heretical. Some beliefs or unbeliefs that I consider heresy are:

    1. Denial of the Triune nature of God.[Revelation 4, 5]
    2. Denial of the Incarnation.[John 1:14; Philippians 2:7,8]
    3. Denial that Jesus Christ was fully God and fully man.[Colossians 2:9]
    4. Denial of the sufficiency of the death of Jesus Christ as atonement for our sins.[Acts 4:12; 2 Corinthians 5:21; John 14:6; 1 Corinthians 5:7; Ephesians 1:3-2:9]
    5. Denial of the bodily resurrection of Jesus Christ.[1 Corinthians 15:12-20]
    6. Denial of the bodily resurrection of all the dead at the end of the age.[1 Corinthians 15:12-20]
    7. Denial of the visible return of Jesus Christ at the end of the age.[Acts 1:11; revelation 1:7]
    8. Denial of a final judgment.[Revelation 20:11-15]
    9. Denial of eternal punishment of Satan and all the unsaved in the Lake of Fire.[Revelation 20:11-15, 19:20]
    10. Assertion that there are multiple Gospels.[Romans 1:16; Galatians 1:8, 9; Mark 1:1]
     
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    I have noticed you did not list Roman Catholicism, along with some non-Christian groups. Also, how do you explain the history that makes distinction, a dividing line, between Arminianism and Calvinism? Note that when I speak of Calvinism or Arminianism I am referring essentially to the 5 points.

    By grace,
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    Just for thought, is there some heresy that has moved to the orthodox camp because so many have accepted it?

    By grace,
    Bob Krajcik
     
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    I would say Arminianism is a error but not heresy.
     
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    Yes...all of our Protestant beliefs :D
     
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    And I say that both Arminianism and Calvinism are in ERROR, as they both detract from true Christianity!
     
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    I got this from "Learning Theology with the Church Fathers".

    Athanasius, said "Heresy, then, is the willful propagation of a position or perspective that runs against the grain of apostolic teaching and tradition. It is frequently linked to the specific personalities, precisely because at the core of heresy is often an individual's intentional choice to advocate and promote a teaching that the church has not communally received and cannot discover in or reconcile with the teaching of the apostles. Heresy is often marked by the NAME of its teacher, specifically because it is that teacher's unique doctrine that sets a group apart from the chruch at large. Orthodox Christians, on the other hand are marked by their refusal to link themselves with any other name than that of Christ."

    With this in mind, Luther was a heretic for reforming the church, though he would insist that the RC was heretical because of its breaking away from the COMMUNAL, historic agreement at the Council of Orange and Carthage on the teachings of the total depravity of man.
    Stating that the church as a whole in the west agreed on Total depravity and God's soveriegn election BEFORE Zosimus (arch bishop of rome) denied the councils judgements. THIS was the birth of the RC as we know it.

    With the reformed church, they were in agreement with the historical, orthodox doctrines that were agreed upon by the church fathers and their councils.

    Then the Remonstrants came with a teaching with 5 points that contradicted what the church deemed as traditional, orthodox doctrine. These were condemned as heresy at the council of Dort.
    These teachings that the WHOLE, unified reformed Church named these teachings "Arminianism". Giving those teachings a NAME to "set apart" that group (as Athanasius said) from the church.
    The pastors lost their chruchs if they did not recognize their "teachings" where deemed by the communal Chruch as being outside Church doctrine and tradition of the early church fathers.
     
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