Heresy poll: Christology

Discussion in 'Baptist Theology & Bible Study' started by Gold Dragon, Dec 12, 2014.

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Not believing in which of the following would be heretical (associated heresy)

  1. Jesus is God

    9 vote(s)
    90.0%
  2. Jesus is the Son of God

    9 vote(s)
    90.0%
  3. Jesus was not created (Arianism)

    7 vote(s)
    70.0%
  4. Jesus was born divine (Adoptionism)

    7 vote(s)
    70.0%
  5. Jesus was fully human (Docetism)

    7 vote(s)
    70.0%
  6. Jesus: 2 natures+wills, divine+human, in one person (Monophysitism/Monothelitism/Nestorianism)

    8 vote(s)
    80.0%
  7. Jesus is a distinct person from God the Father (Sabellianism, Modalism, Monoarchianism)

    7 vote(s)
    70.0%
  8. The Trinity

    9 vote(s)
    90.0%
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  1. Gold Dragon

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    I personally think the listing is somewhat confusing!

    1. Jesus Christ is the Incarnate God. Saying that Jesus is God ignores His human nature.

    2. Jesus Christ is called the Son of God!

    3. Jesus Christ was not created. He was born of the Virgin Mary!

    4. Jesus Christ was both human and divine. However God {divinity} cannot be born; He is eternal!

    5. Jesus Christ was fully human but He was also fully divine!

    6. It appears you are implying {By the titles you apply.} that the the two natures/wills of Jesus Christ is heretical. I present FYI the Chalcedon Creed:
    7. It seems to me {By the titles you apply.} that you are implying that believing that the divine nature of Jesus Christ is a distinct person from God the Father is heresy. I refer you to the 1646 Baptist Confession:

    8. The Trinity is defined above {#7}!
     
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    The statements I was using are the orthodox statement. In brackets are the historical heresies/groups that believed differently to that orthodox statement and required ecumenical councils like Chalcedon and Nicea where creeds were crafted for Christian orthodoxy to clarify their heretical status.
     
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  4. JamesL

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    plenty of heretical people/groups believe that Jesus is the "son" (or Son) of God.

    The distinction rests in what is meant by "son"

    offspring from a sexual union between Heavenly Father and Heavenly Mother? (Mormonism)

    first created being? (Jehovah's Witnesses)

    others have an ambiguous usage without any objectivity. They assent to the verbiage, but have no concrete understanding

    Even many who use the verbiage of "Eternal Son" or "Eternally begotten" have no idea what those are even supposed to mean.

    So is assent to verbiage enough to consider someone "orthodox", or is a proper understanding essential?


    If proper understanding is the litmus test, then I believe many here would fail
     
  5. JamesL

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    Ummm, why not refer to scripture?

    Such a shame that for "essential" doctrines, one can only point to creeds and confessions instead of scripture
     
  6. JonC

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    Heresy is an orthodox interpretation or view. This based on accepted view or interpretation. OR is right to point to confessions.
     
  7. HankD

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    That's because many "essential" doctrine are only partially supported in multiple places in the scriptures. It requires the whole counsel of God to be brought together in a systematic method with each scripture shown in its context and harmonized with the others.

    The scripture itself (IMO) approves of this methodology:

    2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth.

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    If you will simply note the quotes from the 1646 Confession includes numerous Scripture.
     
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    Correctly stated and much appreciated!
     
  10. HankD

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    Sure, these peripheral works are tools which have been used for millennia.

    They don't take the place of or outweigh scripture but subjectively categorize the scripture.

    HankD
     
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    They are useuil outlines to what the major doctrines taught in the Bible are, but not to be seen as being authorative to use, apart from the Bible itself...
     

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