Hip Hop Church, What About...

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  1. ShotGunWillie

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    Since different versions or translations of scripture was mentioned in the conversation for the other thread, what about transalations?

    What about translating the Word of God to relate to the Black Community, removing more offensive words like "slave". What about a Hip Hop Bible, they make a rapping Bible, words rhyme and jive and get down with their bad selves. What about bibles translated specifically for women's use, that remove "submit" "male God" and things of this nature. What if within those pages of these versions of scripture was found a gospel message, what would you say, would your argument be the same?

    What if in order to have everyone reading the word of God, we made different versions to suit everyone's needs that contained a gentler message in areas depending on the version. A message that relates to the reader a lot more effectively. It contains the Gospel message, why not support this as well?

    These "bibles" exist, do you support their use?
     
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    you're funny.
     
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    Is the rap Bible true to the intent of the text? Is it a real translation, or do the translators make compromises in order to appease the culture of rappers? If it is true to the text, then why is it wrong?

    Yes, if they remove the word "slave" or "submit", then it's wrong. But that's not the same thing as a faithful translation into a "rapper" language or a "woman" language (whatever that is). It's altering the message in order to appeal to the audience.
     
  4. Filmproducer

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    Wow, why don't we just have a Bible that ignorant white males can fall back on when they feel their way of life is threatened. Oh wait! We already have one......

    SGW, hip hop is not synonymous with black. The largest consumer of rap and hip hop music is white suburban youths.
     
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    Wow, why don't we just have a Bible that ignorant white males can fall back on when they feel their way of life is threatened. Oh wait! We already have one......

    Great quote! :D
     
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    You have hit the nail on the head....
     
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    The following is the 23rd Psalm from
    The Psalms of David in Metre​
    with Notes by John Brown (1722-1787) of Haddington

    (Way before Hip hop was dreamed of)
    1 The Lord's my shepherd, I'll not want.
    2 He makes me down to lie
    In pastures green: he leadeth me
    the quiet waters by.
    3 My soul he doth restore again;
    and me to walk doth make
    Within the paths of righteousness,
    ev'n for his own name's sake.
    4 Yea, though I walk in death's dark vale,
    yet will I fear none ill:
    For thou art with me; and thy rod
    and staff me comfort still.
    5 My table thou hast furnished
    in presence of my foes;
    My head thou dost with oil anoint,
    and my cup overflows.
    6 Goodness and mercy all my life
    shall surely follow me:
    And in God's house for evermore
    my dwelling-place shall be.
     
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    It's CONSUMED by white suburban youths, but it is black culture they're consuming. Hip hop IS synonymous with black culture. So is rap, eminem notwithstanding.
     
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    The black culture is not defined by rap and/or hip hop. Rap and hip hop is a sub-culture of the black community, and certainly not the epitome of such. In fact there is A LOT more to black culture than rap/hip hop. It is just as diverse as white culture. To say that these white youths are consuming black culture is a bit simplistic to say the least. BTW, what do you think consumer means?
     
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    At least we can agree on that much. But it is a significant, highly representative, sub-culture.

     
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    Where? on TV?
     
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    *Sits down, grabs a cold drinkand a bag of chips*

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    The first part of this post is dangerously close to racist IMO.

    In fact...I'm not sure but that the whole thing is meant to be inflammatory.

    No one would suggest watering down the Gospel. I would hope that most all of us here hold Scripture in too high a regard to trash it.

    But like I said, this post probably will lead to a very short, ugly, and unChristian thread. It started out at rock-bottom, and will probably continue to dig.
     
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    Where I work there is 90% blacks. I used to live in a boarding house where I was the only white person.

    Where I work almost none of the blacks will advance because they speak ebonics instead of English.

    What are you going to do for them? Teach them to speak English, or are you going to learn ebonics so their devisive sub-cultural behavior will be validated?
     
  15. Filmproducer

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    This attitude is sickening and this is what is keeping people divided, and why race realtions in this country are going to continue deteriorating. Teach them to speak English? Really? How sick. I'm not going to participate in an argument about the commonly held stereotypes of black people. I've done it before and it's not worth it. Sad, very sad.... :tear:


     
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    Naw, just parody, I suspect.

    npetreley is bang on. If it's a true translation into the language of a particular cultural group, well and good. If it's a version edited to appeal to a particular group, absolutely not.
     
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    That isn't true, for the most part certain words offend certain portions of our nation. Somdomite offends homosexuals, that's the reason it was removed. Other words are found offensive, that is the reason for the omission or replacement of masculine words for nutreul or genderless words.

    Sorry, but there was no portion of that, which was racist or close for that matter and for you to imply that I am a racist, I find that rather offensive IMO.

    Its not???

    Which one is that, PDL??
     
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    I'm not talking to you about stereotypes, I'm talking to you about people I know and work with every day. What's sickening is the desire to prop up the black community with platitudes and word-faith prosperity preaching. They will never progress if they don't get out of their us v them attitude and start learning how to communicate with society.

    The way to prevent the black community from ever improving is to label anyone that tries to help them as "racist" and anyone that destroys them, like LBJ, as a heroe.
     
  19. ShotGunWillie

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    That can be said about other groups as well...


    Hmmm, I like him, he gave me the LBJ Grasslands to use for hunting and other recreational purposes.
     
  20. Filmproducer

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    And you find that slave is offensive to black people? Do not think that black people are quite capable of reading and discerning the context of scripture to the point that the slaves in the Bible were not the slaves of early America? C'mon, get real....

    No, it's not. Look at the largest consumer group of rap and hip hop. You know what , better yet, since you and JD seem to know so much about black culture, why don't you just define it for the rest of us.

    Sure, why not. I'm pretty sure that the majority of people reading this thread got my point so I'll leave it at that.
     
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