HITLER'S PRESENT SITUATION

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by BillyShope, Dec 24, 2004.

  1. BillyShope

    BillyShope
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2004
    Messages:
    38
    Likes Received:
    0
    Here's a simple question: Is Hitler presently suffering under God's judgment as a result of his (Hitler's) genocidal acts?

    A trick question? Of course! And, since you'll have time to think about it, you'll probably come up with the correct answer (unless you're a Primitive, but that's another matter). I like to "sneak" this question in when visiting a church. Gives me an idea as to the effectiveness of the teaching ministry.
     
  2. APuritanMindset

    APuritanMindset
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 31, 2004
    Messages:
    229
    Likes Received:
    0
    No. As far as I know, he never came to a saving knowledge of Jesus Christ, so he is not in hell as a result of his genocidal acts.
     
  3. Archeryaddict

    Archeryaddict
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 3, 2004
    Messages:
    317
    Likes Received:
    0
    if Hitler did not know Jesus Christ as his personal saviour which his fruits strongly indicated he did not, Hitler is seperated from God eternally. The parable of the rich man who died went directly to the hadeian rhelm where he was in torment after he died. I think Jesus spoke of this parable for a reason, part of that reason is to show that when you die you will either go to be with the lord or you will be eternally seperated from God and will be in torment. Hitler will face the great white throne of Judgement Rev, 20:11. And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
    12. And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
    13. And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
    14. And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
    15. And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.
     
  4. Daniel David

    Daniel David
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2002
    Messages:
    5,316
    Likes Received:
    0
    I think Hitler is presently preparing a seat for Scott Peterson.
     
  5. DavidFWhite3

    DavidFWhite3
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 7, 2001
    Messages:
    189
    Likes Received:
    0
    You shall know them by their fruits. Hitler was a mass murderer. Hitler hated The Church and was intent upon destroying it and replacing it with a German Christianity that would not be Christianity at all. Hitler has His place with Nero and Domitian, an enemy of Christ, of God, of Humanity, and had earned his place in hell and in the anals of human history as the embodiment of evil. Why debate it. The record proves he was a mid twentieth century anti-chirist, and God destroyed him and his followers, and in the wake, gave Humanity an chance to start again.
     
  6. James_Newman

    James_Newman
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2004
    Messages:
    5,013
    Likes Received:
    0
    What do you mean by this?
     
  7. Joseph_Botwinick

    Joseph_Botwinick
    Expand Collapse
    <img src=/532.jpg>Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2000
    Messages:
    17,527
    Likes Received:
    0
    Yes, Hitler is in Hell right now and forever.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  8. Daniel David

    Daniel David
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2002
    Messages:
    5,316
    Likes Received:
    0
    It couldn't have happened to a nicer guy, Joseph.
     
  9. Phillip

    Phillip
    Expand Collapse
    <b>Moderator</b>
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2001
    Messages:
    6,708
    Likes Received:
    0
    James, I think what APuritanMindset means that Hilter is in hell because all men are condemned to hell when Adam sinned, unless they accept Jesus Christ as their Lord and Savior. Therefore, although the genocidal acts ARE sin, he was headed straight for hell anyway. Therefore, it is a moot point. Even if he hadn't have committed genocidal acts, he would still be in hell.

    Now, whether or not there are different levels in hell, that has been open for debate.

    He is also not under God's judgement, hell is the place people go who will not accept Jesus. Hell is the place where all evil will go and be seperated from God. It is the one place where God will not be.

    Does that make sense???
     
  10. Phillip

    Phillip
    Expand Collapse
    <b>Moderator</b>
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2001
    Messages:
    6,708
    Likes Received:
    0
    No joke! :D
     
  11. Joseph_Botwinick

    Joseph_Botwinick
    Expand Collapse
    <img src=/532.jpg>Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2000
    Messages:
    17,527
    Likes Received:
    0
    I understand him and Arafat are best buds down there right now.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  12. blackbird

    blackbird
    Expand Collapse
    Administrator
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2002
    Messages:
    11,898
    Likes Received:
    2
    Brother Joseph---Hell is no joke!
     
  13. James_Newman

    James_Newman
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2004
    Messages:
    5,013
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ah, I guess I wasn't reading it right, yeah I think that is what he means. I don't know if that is entirely biblical though.

    Lu 16:25
    But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted, and thou art tormented.

    Mt 16:27
    For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with his angels; and then he shall reward every man according to his works.

    If every man will be rewarded according to his works, then Hitler will be rewarded according to his works. He may not currently be receiving the fullness of his reward, as the judgment has not taken place yet, but God certainly knows where to keep him until then:

    2Pe 2:4
    For if God spared not the angels that sinned, but cast them down to hell, and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved unto judgment;
    2Pe 2:9
    The Lord knoweth how to deliver the godly out of temptations, and to reserve the unjust unto the day of judgment to be punished:

    This is plain scripture, my views on reward/punishment aside.
     
  14. Phillip

    Phillip
    Expand Collapse
    <b>Moderator</b>
    Moderator

    Joined:
    Jun 29, 2001
    Messages:
    6,708
    Likes Received:
    0
     
  15. BillyShope

    BillyShope
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2004
    Messages:
    38
    Likes Received:
    0
    My original question was not "Is Hitler in hell?" or "Is Hitler suffering?". It was: Is Hitler presently suffering under God's judgment as a result of his (Hitler's) genocidal acts?
     
  16. James_Newman

    James_Newman
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Aug 27, 2004
    Messages:
    5,013
    Likes Received:
    0
    I suppose the correct answer would be he is suffering due to Adam's transgression. But he will be rewarded according to his works [​IMG]
     
  17. BillyShope

    BillyShope
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 23, 2004
    Messages:
    38
    Likes Received:
    0
    Just noticed Phillip's last post and I think that is the answer for which I was looking. (Clumsy, but gramatically correct.)

    Anyway, when I ask this question in person, I usually receive an incredulous stare. How could I even ask such a question? Then, it is often impossible to convince anyone of their logical inconsistency when they would say that Christ took upon Himself the punishment for the sins of the entire world, BUT there is still punishment awaiting the individual sinner...for those same sins...in hell.

    And, please, do not accuse me of not believing in the reality of hell and of eternal punishment. I do. But, as Phillip has pointed out, the punishments of hell are reserved for those who reject Christ, whether they be known for their wickedness, like Hitler, or whether they be known for their "saintly" conduct.
     
  18. Daniel David

    Daniel David
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 4, 2002
    Messages:
    5,316
    Likes Received:
    0
    The answer to the original question is yes.
     
  19. Joseph_Botwinick

    Joseph_Botwinick
    Expand Collapse
    <img src=/532.jpg>Banned

    Joined:
    Nov 12, 2000
    Messages:
    17,527
    Likes Received:
    0
    If Hitler is in Hell as we speak (which he is), then he is suffering God's judgement. However, it is not because he was a genocidal maniac. It is because of his not being saved, which was evidenced by him being a genocidal maniac along with Arafat.

    Joseph Botwinick
     
  20. whatever

    whatever
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 7, 2004
    Messages:
    2,088
    Likes Received:
    0
    Yes, unless he called upon the name of the Lord and was saved.
     

Share This Page

Loading...