Homosexual Priests

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  1. Eladar

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    I never knew that the Catholic Church officially accepted practicing homosexual as priests. According to a news story I heard tonight there is a big hub-bub about the vatacan coming out with a new rule stating that practicing homosexual priests will be kicked out of the priest-hood.

    If this is true, then what is the Catholic stance on homosexuality?

    [ November 13, 2002, 12:56 PM: Message edited by: Tuor ]
     
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    Tuor,

    First and foremost, I have NOT heard that the Catholic Church officially accepts practicing homosexuals as priests. Are there priests who are homosexual? I'm sure there are. Have certain seminaries and/or bishops been lax about checking into these things? Most likely. However, as far as an official stance of the Church, I'm sure the Church is not in support of it, as is evidenced by your statement below.

    Kicked out? I haven't heard this. The rules are for keeping homosexuals out of seminary and into the priesthood as much as possible.

    To love them as human beings, sinners, and Christians, like all of us. Probably the same as your views.

    God bless,

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  3. Eladar

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    As I said, it was a story on the news tonight. My wife thinks it was on something like NBC, but I thought it was PBS.

    In any case, it had priests on there saying that it would be a terrible thing to reject practicing homosexual priests.

    GraceSaves,

    When it comes to Christian brothers and sisters who are living a lifestyle in rebellion to God, I believe that St. Paul was not wrong when he instructed us to hand such a one over to Satan so that on the day of the Lord the soul might be saved.

    See 1 Corinthians 5. [​IMG]

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    Tuor,

    There is a difference in being homosexually oriented and being a practicing homosexual. A priest might be homosexually oriented, but he is bound by a vow of celibacy. One can be homosexually oriented and not carry that out in sexual activity. I would certainly NOT turn someone over to Satan who is tempted by sin and abstains from it, for we ALL do that.

    The Catholic Church calls for those who have homosexual inclinations and cannot get rid of them to live a life of chastity.

    Hopefully that clears that up.

    God bless,

    Grant
     
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    Hi Tuor,

    You wrote, "When it comes to Christian brothers and sisters who are living a lifestyle in rebellion to God, I believe that St. Paul was not wrong when he instructed us to hand such a one over to Satan so that on the day of the Lord the soul might be saved."

    You mean, excommunicate? [​IMG]

    Blessings,

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  6. Eladar

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    Yes Carson, you are correct. Excommunication is totally Biblical under certain situations.

    I have not been able to find a link to back up the story I heard last night. My wife remembers it too, so I don't think I'm remembering the news story incorrectly.
     
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    I've forgotten, who can excommunicate, according the Catholic church?
     
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    The RCC does not allow a priest to practice homosexuality or heterosexuality, since it both are sins according to God's word. I'm not sure why everyone likes to focus in on homosexuality. Probably because it sells more papers.
     
  9. Eladar

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    I wouldn't have brought this up if it wasn't for the 'practicing' element.
     
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    You are right. "Practicing" is a large distinction. I believe that in the end you find that you are, or the reporter, is in error on this point.

    The Church would not knowing allow a "practicing" homosexual to become or remain a priest.

    Ron
     
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    How does moving priests (some of which qualify for the label of pedofile in addition to practicing homosexual) from parish to parish fit in with that?
     
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    How does moving priests (some of which qualify for the label of pedofile in addition to practicing homosexual) from parish to parish fit in with that?</font>[/QUOTE]It fits into the category of liberal bishops who need replaced. What should be done is well known; what happened goes against that. To further prevent it, new rules for allowing men to become priests are being worked on. This problem will be resolved.

    Tuor,

    I wouldn't doubt what you heard, but different media sources offer different biases.

    God bless,

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    Tuor,

    Reading back, I guess I might have made some mistakes. When you originally said "practicing," did you mean sexually active? If that is the case, then I most certainly agree that they should be removed from the priesthood. They have broken a vow before God and man, and if they continue to live in sin like this, unrepentant, then they need to reexamine their lives.

    I still stand by what I said earlier, as well, though.

    God bless,

    Grant
     
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    You are confusing a few Bishops acting in bad judgement on their own with the Church.

    I'm still waiting for the proof of the claim of this thread.

    These discussion boards are not much different than the news media in that it is easy to get everyone all excited with a little inaccurate statement without much concern over the truth of the matter.

    In the end, I don't see a whole lot of difference between that sort of behavior and bearing false witness.

    Ron
     
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    So bishops aren't part of the church?
     
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    You got 'em but have you read 'em?

    Those articles all talked about "homosexual orientation" not "practicing homosexual behavior".

    So the proof is still not offered.

    Our thread originator made a claim that the Church accepts "practicing" homosexuals as priests.

    Clint, do you see a difference between a person with a homosexual orientation that does not engage in the sin and a person who does engage in the sin?

    I am beging to wonder if Baptist's are all intentionally obtuse when it comes to Catholics and the Church.

    Ron
     
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    Ron -

    It seems that sometimes the only way you can defend your faith is to live in denial. Here is a quote from the very first article I linked:
    You have a real knack for trying to discredit sources, Ron. I recommend that you read them before doing so as it will serve to embarrass you if you do not.

    Even the Vatican recognizes the problem and most of the sources say that the problem lies in exactly how you approach this issue: denial. You are helping to perpetuate the problem and doing no real service for your denomination.
     
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    I'm afraid I can't reference it, as I was doing dishes while listening to the news on the kitchen TV (yes we have one there as that is where I spend so much time! And no I don't watch soaps... :D ), but there was a Catholic priest -- current, kicked out, practicing or not, I don't know, but he had the collar and all on -- who likened the Vatican refusing to allow gays into the priesthood to the idea of a gay bar refusing to serve gays. That really caught my attention, because I was not aware that gays considered the Catholic clergy a place of refuge and work for them.

    The comment certainly caught my attention though!
     
  20. Eladar

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    Thank you for the links Clint.

    Helen, the news story said that 30% of the Catholic Clergy is homosexual. I don't know if it is true, but that is what it said.

    [ November 13, 2002, 12:05 PM: Message edited by: Tuor ]
     

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