House Votes to Reaffirm ‘In God We Trust’

C4k- Do you believe the United States was founded as a secular nation?

 

Well we agree that Israel is God's stated people and nation. I also agree we as a nation have a great deal of blood on our hands, but are our sins greater then that of His chosen people? I don't think so.

So while I agree that this nation cannot make any biblical claim to being one nation under God I do think that all the evidence points to the understanding that this nation would not be what it is if not for God even though we have many faults.

 

Yes - read the Constitution. A disclaimer would be that it a secular state, but the founding principles were Judeo-Christian.

 

In your opinion, was the secular nature of the new nation violated by the acknowledgement of God officially in statements such as this?


"When we view the blessings with which our country has been favored, those which we now enjoy, and the means which we possess of handing them down unimpaired to our latest posterity, our attention is irresistibly drawn to the source from whence they flow. Let us then, unite in offering our most grateful acknowledgments for these blessings to the Divine Author of All Good."

-James Monroe, 5th U.S. President, second annual message to congress, Nov.16,1818.

 

I have no problems with the personal views of some of the Founding Fathers, in fact I am glad that some of them were believers. The secular nature of a state is not compromised by the personal faith of its leaders be they Christian, Deist, Muslim, or anything else. I don't think there is any doubt that a higher percentage of them had a personal relationship with Christ then than now, but that does not make the nation Christian. Nations cannot be Christian - it is impossible since Christianity is a matter of personal faith.

They were also wise enough to create a secular state, not some kind of quasi-theocracy. They were wise enough to leave any mention of God out of the Constitution. That document, not president's speeches, is was our country is based on.

America is not some kind of second Israel that somehow merits God's divine favour because she gives Him tacit recognition.

Today we say 'In God We Trust' while millions of children die in legalised murder factories.

These things ought not so to be.

 

Just a bit of ridiculous pandering. Forget about mottos, there are real problems to address. Disgusting.

 

C4k- Though I can agree with you on some of the individual points you make, I must still disagree with you about the motto vote.

Having said that, I think it is refreshing to have a debate that does not become heated or devolves into a contest.

 

No more so than any one of several mottos. The Boy Scouts is "Be prepared". Are all of them always always prepared? The Marine Corps motto os "Always faithful" Is each individual Marine always faithful? I could go on.

The point is that a stated motto will almost never apply to every one, but they can be worthy goals for everyone , nevertheless.

 

Thanks - I agree.

 

Interesting perspective, one I had not considered.

However, the Boy Scouts' desire is to be prepared. The Marines' goal is to be faithful.

How many of these 400 or so politicians even desire that America should trust God?

 

If you were to ask them, I believe a large majority would say yes.

 

Only if they thought Christians were listening.

 

>How can it not be a good thing?

A good thing to lie to God and the world?

 

We'd better believe in God ... we surely cannot believe in Congress.

 

And that's the whole point of the Constitution. At least it was.

 

Hey, C4, Ireland is a liar too. She may affirm the life of an unborn child on paper, but what actions are taken against the 4400 women a year going into the UK for abortions? And before you make a comparison, as a percentage of population, there isn't much of a difference.

 

Trust God to do what?

Trust God to do exactly what??????????????

 

To do exactly what He said He would do. Reward good and punish evil.

 

How many of these 400 or so politicians even desire that America should trust God?

That doesn't answer the question at all.