How could anyone believe in Preterism?

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  1. evangelist6589

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    Hyper Preterism which is heresy or partial Preterism are questionable views. I know some good scholars like RC Sproul and Gentry hold to the partial position but they are only a few.

    Tim Lahaye, Thomas Ice, John MacArthur and perhaps David Jeremiah worked together and wrote a book called the end times controversy which is a refutation against Preterism. Does anyone have it? I would like this book or the book on the 4 views of Revelation but there just seems so much evidence for the the premillennialism and pretrib interpretation. If anyone disagree and holds to Preterism please speak out, thanks..
     
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    Preterism is a hyper-intellectual endeavor looking for a reason to have to dig for something that otherwise is given in plain terms.
     
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    It makes no sense to me. The funny thing is that writings from AD 70 and a little after the temple was destroyed even believed that the coming return would happen. Even they did not hold to Preterism.
     
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    Most of the reformed would hold to A Mil position, as unlike Full blown Preterien, they would still see a literal Second Coming and a glorification of the saints!
     
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    What do you want me to speak out on? I came to the conclusion, after years of studying the subject, that some form of preterism is the only possibility. How anyone can believe the nonsense of LaHaye, Lindsey and MacArthur is beyond me,but I did. When I decided to study other views it became obvious very soon that the view I grew up with was full of errors.
     
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    Shush....don't say that too loud around here:smilewinkgrin::smilewinkgrin:
     
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    We give folks the right to be wrong (soul liberty does not guarantee you will end up holding the true interpretation). Grasshopper has the right to his position, as ridiculous and untenable as it is.

    But I won't say anything bad about such a ludicrous, preposterous and absurd belief as he holds.

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    I didn't always believe in Preterism. I came to it after first being dispensational for 2 or 3 decades (depending on how one defines dispensionalism). When I started the first Prewrath group in Yahoogroups we were often pestered by Preterists of several stripes. I tried to be nice to them, though I doubted the salvation of many of them. Eventually I booted some of them off my group!

    But some of the points they made wouldn't go away. Eventually I determined that I was going to give this serious attention. I made a point, for a period of time, not to read either Preterist books or anti-preterist books - other than to prayerfully study out the passages that both sides kept bringing up.

    That is how I "could believe in Preterism". The pieces fell into place for me.
     
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    Sorry for the double post!
     
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    What makes you think that those writings are, in fact, "from AD 70 and a little after the temple was destroyed"?
     
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    FWIW, Dr. Bob, I think you do a very good job here.
     
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    This post is part I of II

    The following is a quote from a 2009 essay on Hyper-Preterism. Hyper-Preterism and Full Preterism are the same thing. The author of this essay makes some excellent points. The most salient among them is the importance of not letting Full Preterists off the hook. The essay gives excellent advice on how to do that:

    So, here is the essay in toto:

     
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    ..................................
     
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    Given the board rules I decided to omit part II of II because it makes strong comments on the spiritual state of those who hold to full Preterism.
     
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    I would very much like to read it, even if you are not going to be posting it publicly.
     
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    If you knew anything about Roderick Edwards, you probably wouldn't use his work as a source. Notice the lack of Biblical argumentation.
     
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    No, this is not what I believe. Specifically speaking of #3.

    "It is appointed unto man once to die and then the judgment". (quoted from memory)

    It is irritating to have to keep reading so-called experts tell each other what we believe. Why don't you ask me, a brother in Christ, or other Preterists instead of quoting some sketchy professor XYZ on something he is evidently clueless on?

    This is why many people are abysmally ignorant of our position, seeing the degree of misinformation constantly given out. We are constantly having to defend the basics ABCs of our position from (perhaps) well-meaning misconceptions, never getting to the DEFs or beyond.

    Actually most of are rebuttals are repetitions of A.
     
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    Would you consider yourself a full or partial Preterist?
     
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    Like anything else, his work is open for debate. I don't believe his essay was meant to be an exegetical refutation. But I can't deny that he brought up some very good issues for discussion.
     
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    Years ago (not sure how many) one of the preterist brothers said regarding the scripture "all has been fulfilled".

    In addition everything in scripture which speaks of an apocalyptic event is an allegory and/or spiritualized by the preterist.

    With that formula one can make the scripture say whatever one desires.

    To me this is the scripture which is of the greatest difficulty for the preterist:

    Acts 1
    8 But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem, and in all Judaea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the earth.
    9 And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
    10 And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel;
    11 Which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.

    Facts
    It was a visible ascension.
    "This same Jesus" - not Titus.
    "Shall so come in like manner" - visibly back down through the atmosphere - "every eye shall see Him".

    Logic:
    There is still sin and death on planet earth.
    Will it continue on forever? The preterist cannot answer this because they say "all has been fulfilled" and have no eschatalogical scripture to reference concerning this question.

    Another question: Do preterists have communion? If so why? because the command is to do it "till He come"

    These are just a few objections to preterism.

    All systems of eschatology have their problems, IMO, full preterism has the most.

    Brother Tom and I and several others had a lengthy debate concerning preterism vs futurism a few years ago, scan the BB archives and you will see all the objections and rebuttals.

    The "bottom line" : Indeed there is much allegory, types and figures of speech in the scripture. Rightly interpreting the whole counsel of God is the key.

    Personally, I leave room for those who hold to preterism, I don't believe it is a heresy, they do believe in the second coming, just different than traditional Christianity

    HankD
     

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