How do you minister to the "bored?"

Discussion in 'Pastoral Ministries' started by abcgrad94, Oct 24, 2009.

  1. abcgrad94

    abcgrad94
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2007
    Messages:
    5,533
    Likes Received:
    0
    We've experienced in our church, and in our whole town, an attitude I can only describe as a welfare mentality. People don't seem to have any desire to do anything for themselves or even think for themselves. At church, the attitude is "I'm here, now entertain me while I watch and complain and criticize." In town, the attitude is much the same. It's like everyone is complacent with no desire to learn, to try, to change for the better, to do. . .anything. I think our town's mantra is "I'm bored."

    Where did this laziness come from? How do we combat it? I do NOT believe we as Christians should have to turn cartwheels and stand on our heads to get people to think for themselves or to get them interested in learning, not only about God, but about ANYTHING.

    I would greatly appreciate any suggestions from those of you who have experienced this. Beating our heads against a brick wall gets old, but God has not yet released us from this place.
     
  2. gb93433

    gb93433
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2003
    Messages:
    15,496
    Likes Received:
    6
    Are you expecting them to be leaders or are you making leaders? Everywhere you go and every time you do ministry take some people with you. Train them to do ministry and be leaders. Put yourself in their shoes as though you had grown up as they did.
     
  3. Jkdbuck76

    Jkdbuck76
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Jan 8, 2007
    Messages:
    2,263
    Likes Received:
    64
    abcgrad94,

    people need to be challenged. If you expect nothing from them, you'll get nothing. That is what leadership is all about: set the bar high and the second thing about leadership is that leaders spawn other leaders.

    I agree: too many people show up at church expecting to be entertained by the worship and by the preaching. When we worship, our audience is GOD ALMIGHTY and He is the one we're singing to. And there will always be critical people. Not having a Pastor for 7 months and chairing a pulpit committee has taught me one thing: people are OVERLY CRITICAL of preaching! Most sheeple focus on HOW you say something rather than WHAT you say. It is sad! So there will always be those who sit and soak an sour and it is your job and my job to be praying for them that God will get out His hatpin and stick them with it a little an wake them up!
     
  4. Tom Butler

    Tom Butler
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2005
    Messages:
    9,031
    Likes Received:
    0
    The OP has the answer. They want to be entertained. Then entertain them. Have you tried rock music with Christian lyrics? How about clown-led communion? One church I read about got a crowd with a trapeze act.

    I also heard about a pastor who rode a Harley onto the stage; he was clad in leather. Varoom, varoom. Boy, did that wake up some folks

    Oh, and don't forget about that six-part series on great sex, powered by provocative billboard ads. That'll get their attention.

    Or.

    Or, maybe we could pray for God to pour out his Spirit on our congregation. Nobody'll be bored if that happens.
     
  5. Repent-or-Burn

    Repent-or-Burn
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2009
    Messages:
    179
    Likes Received:
    0
    ABC, I am not against making things interesting for a crowd, if certain things are not violated:

    One, you NEVER sin to make things entertaining.
    Two, a church service is a church service. It's not for getting together and playing pool with your drinking buddies.
    Three, the cross of Christ is to be preached without wisdom of speech - no cute stories to illustrate the cross!

    But, we have to remember:

    No one comes except he be drawn. Entertainment will not win them. Entertainment can be a useful tool to open them up to learning more. But it cannot win them!

    Does this help any?


    ~~~~"Have you tried rock music with Christian lyrics? "

    Dangerous! Possibly sin, but I will "not" take a stand on whether it is sin or not - I am unsure.

    ~~~~"How about clown-led communion? One church I read about got a crowd with a trapeze act."

    What becomes the pourpose of the church meetings? Entertainment, or the equipping of the saints?
    Just be careful.

    ~~~~"Or, maybe we could pray for God to pour out his Spirit on our congregation. Nobody'll be bored if that happens."

    I should read your whole message before I argue against it. ;)
     
  6. abcgrad94

    abcgrad94
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2007
    Messages:
    5,533
    Likes Received:
    0
    Yes, it does, and to clarify my OP, we do NOT use entertainment as a means to draw people or keep people in our church. We are very traditional in music, etc and don't plan to stray from that at all.

    I guess my frustration stems from the complete lack of desire to do anything, even thinking for one's self. I realize I can't change everyone, but I would like to see people WANT to use the brain God gave them instead of acting like sleepy zombies.

    I've tried to reach out to the other mom's and kids in our community, but they all have the same attitude, "I'm here, somebody take care of me." They see church as a way to get physical needs met, but want nothing to do with the spiritual part. They don't want to get a job or go to school, just waste their lives "hanging around" living on welfare.

    I do not know how to deal with people of this mindset. I was brought up to study hard in school, work hard no matter what job I had, and take care of my kids instead of expecting others to do everything for me. In order to reach this community, I need to know how to handle this mindset without becoming so frustrated or apathetic myself.
     
  7. Repent-or-Burn

    Repent-or-Burn
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2009
    Messages:
    179
    Likes Received:
    0
    "I need to know how to handle this mindset without becoming so frustrated or apathetic myself."

    "Or, maybe we could pray for God to pour out his Spirit on our congregation. Nobody'll be bored if that happens."

    The other gent's answer - PRAYER.

    I have to ask..
    You're saying we, entertainment etc...

    You're not a woman speaker, are you? (You will notice I did NOT say pastor, because no woman is a pastor.)
     
    #7 Repent-or-Burn, Oct 27, 2009
    Last edited by a moderator: Oct 27, 2009
  8. abcgrad94

    abcgrad94
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2007
    Messages:
    5,533
    Likes Received:
    0
    Nope, just married to a pastor. Basically, I do everything BUT preach: music, teaching kids, secretarial stuff for hubby, bulletins, ladies' group, you name it. I don't believe in women preachers either, but I am a co-laborer with my hubby. He and I encourage each other and that's why I'm trying to do my best even though I don't like this place. Make sense?
     
  9. Repent-or-Burn

    Repent-or-Burn
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2009
    Messages:
    179
    Likes Received:
    0
    Glad to hear, ABC!
     
  10. exscentric

    exscentric
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    May 24, 2004
    Messages:
    4,253
    Likes Received:
    16
    If you husband is preaching the Word, (choosing some pointed topics they need :) and I assume he is, then as has been said, it is the Spirit that must do the work.

    Do your best till He moves you on and that is all that He asks.

    Having said that, do you have an area representative of your breed of church? If so talk to him, he might have some ideas/insight that would help.

    I had a friend that knocked himself out for several years at a little church. I spoke there as a missionary and not one person stopped to look at the brochures/information. His area rep sat him down one day and said move on this church is dead. From what he told me I would probably agree.

    Just pray, be patient, be open and do the best you can. You work for God's glory and He will gain it as He will.

    One final thought, are you sure they are bored and not lost? Sounding like it as you speak of your church :-(
     
  11. abcgrad94

    abcgrad94
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    Jan 12, 2007
    Messages:
    5,533
    Likes Received:
    0
    Thank you, Excentric. I guess I'm wanting to "help" the Holy Spirit instead of just letting him do his job. It is hard, especially nowadays, to work without seeing results. People are always asking if our church is "growing" as if numbers should reflect one's sucess.
     
  12. Repent-or-Burn

    Repent-or-Burn
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2009
    Messages:
    179
    Likes Received:
    0
    [snipped - slandering our Christian brothers is NOT allowed]
     
    #12 Repent-or-Burn, Oct 28, 2009
    Last edited by a moderator: Oct 28, 2009
  13. Dr. Bob

    Dr. Bob
    Expand Collapse
    Administrator
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2000
    Messages:
    29,402
    Likes Received:
    12
    Entertainment? Hardly. Most want a loftier altruistic challenge to love the Lord and serve Him in ministry. That is a true purpose of Church.

    I work with small home-churches, but also enjoy visiting mega-churches 4-5 times a year. I sat in two services at a well-known church (unnamed, but in the OC) and saw NO "entertainment". Singing, praying, in-depth preaching, even the offering - no "dance" or "drama" or any of the shenanigans we think of when we think "entertainment".
     
  14. Repent-or-Burn

    Repent-or-Burn
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Sep 17, 2009
    Messages:
    179
    Likes Received:
    0
    Bob, you may as well delete my account if calling men heretics, who uphold pride as a necessary thing, and believe in compromising the faith in order to get numbers, is a problem.

    Are you defending "christian" brothers, or apostate? I am not the final judge, but by appearances, they are damned. And if not damned, they are heretics for certain.

    (If you want to know what this is about, I will not name names to have this deleted again. But, I refer to the seeker-sensitive movement.)
     
  15. TomVols

    TomVols
    Expand Collapse
    Administrator
    Administrator

    Joined:
    Oct 30, 2000
    Messages:
    11,170
    Likes Received:
    0
    I don't know what "upholding pride as necessary" means.

    I have much disagreement with "seeker-sensitive" churches. However, they didn't start the entertainment mentality in churches. Churches long before them had their tent shows, southern gospel concerts, testimony services, and a host of other things that have watered down or just plain eliminated the gospel

    (Ouch..I know I just hit some of momma's favorites here. I'm the heretic now).

    There are many in the seeker-sensitive movement that are far more orthodox than their critics who cornered the market on easy-believism and man-centered "salvation" decades ago.

    A local IFB pastor was railing on tv one night about a rather well known pastor/author in the seeker sensitive movement. How he was a heretic. How he was a compromiser. Didn't use the KJV to boot. Next broadcast? How Jews did not need Jesus to get to heaven and anyone who thought they did was damned and heretical.

    Garbage. Just plain garbage.
     
  16. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2006
    Messages:
    38,320
    Likes Received:
    786
    1Co 2:1-5 And I, when I came to you, brothers, did not come proclaiming to you the testimony of God with lofty speech or wisdom. For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. And I was with you in weakness and in fear and much trembling, and my speech and my message were not in plausible words of wisdom, but in demonstration of the Spirit and of power, that your faith might not rest in the wisdom of men but in the power of God.
     
  17. Tom Butler

    Tom Butler
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 20, 2005
    Messages:
    9,031
    Likes Received:
    0
    I do believe Paul said it better than I did.
     
  18. Jim1999

    Jim1999
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/Jim1999.jpg>

    Joined:
    Aug 10, 2002
    Messages:
    15,460
    Likes Received:
    0
    It is interesting in the early Welsh revival, the preacher became silent, with tears in his eyes,,, After some silence, one parishioner stood and started to sing a hymn. The whole assembly joined in song.

    This was happening in chapels all over Wales and a great revival took place. There was absence of preaching, loads of singing praises to God, and prayer. People were saved, and others restored to God. No entertainment. They didn't have anything more than a tuner.

    Cheers,

    Jim
     
  19. paidagogos

    paidagogos
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2003
    Messages:
    2,279
    Likes Received:
    0
    Not the judge.................

    I'm sorry that I missed your post before it was deleted but it probably would have been entertaining in a sad sense. Your bombastic style destroys the credibility of your case. Also, shouting generalities without reasoned argument crafted on a factual basis is simply spouting inanities.

    Now, you say that you are not the judge but you did judge according to appearances. Read your post. Theologically, I am probably more conservative and fundamental than you, yet much sounder in my views. You are throwing around a lot of terms without due consideration of their meaning. What is a heretic? By whose standard? How are the objects of your ridicule heretical? As to pride, I would call it pride in anyone who can pontificate his or her own opinions as God's own mind. It is good to examine our own hearts and minds before offering judgment on others (see Matthew 7).
     
  20. Revmitchell

    Revmitchell
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 18, 2006
    Messages:
    38,320
    Likes Received:
    786
    What was the preacher doing before he became silent?
     

Share This Page

Loading...