How far Did Calvinism Go beyond teaching/Doctrines Of calvin?

I am not quite sure what you are getting at. Could you elaborate? Could you also give some scripture for what you believe.

 

I have. Some months ago I asked the same thing and very few responded that they had. It is amazing how much of what people repeat and believe is a "repeat after me" belief.

 

He did have some strange beliefs that I cannot thin anyone would preach today. If I remember right his idea of a kingdom on earth was quite strange.

 

DHK, I dont believe the brother is going aimlessly. Always keep absolute sovereignty at the top when examining any doctrines. Even the free will of man falls under absolute sovereignty, which we call the permissive will of God....."thus far an no further." If the concepts offered do not fit this they are foreign to the whole of scripture.

 

Yeah, I really want to know.

 

your opining! Try backing it up with evidence.

 

I think many hundreds of thousands think that you do just that.

I contend that Openess is necessary for Arminianism to be remotely logical.

And?

 

No do not choose to believe you or not.

I can choose to argue with you or not.

I can choose to contemplate whether what you're saying is true or not.

Most likely I will just nod to it and move on in the conversation.

That doesn't mean I believe it.

In order for me to really believe it I must be persuaded it is true.

I may be persuaded it is true because it has come into my obsevation that you are an honest person.

I may be persuaded it is true because it makes not since for you to lie about such a thing.

But I cannot choose to believe it. I must be persuaded.

Try believing that you don't exist. CHOOSE to believe that you don't exist.

You cannot do it. Why? Because faith is not a choice.

 

Yes. God's commands are not based on our ability but based upon his holiness.

God knows that sinners cannot keep his commandments. Almost every Christian on earth knows that too.

Yet God still commands them to meet these standards.

God commands us to never bear false witness but he also says the heart of man is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked.

You just assume that it is your choice.

And, what do you mean by "follow"?

Do you mean to trust him? Because that is not a choice. You are either persuaded or not- you cannot choose to beleive.

Try CHOOSING to believe that you do not exist.

You can't- because believing has nothing to do with choice.

 

I am not saying anything about perfection being what we think of today.

I am saying that no man could do what they thought it meant then.

Since all men are sinners and God commands all men NOT to sin it is obvious that God commands all men to do what they cannot do.

 

I don't recall purporting such a thing.

And?

How does this have anything to do with what we are talking about?

Yes, the evidence has persuaded you. You did not choose to believe it. You were persuaded by the evidence.

 

And?

No. One has a relationship with the living God because he is a believer.

He believes because he HAS BEEN persuaded that Jesus Christ is Lord.

He did not CHOOSE to believe that- he was persuaded that it is so.

How does this have anything to do with what we are talking about?

God cannot limit himself.

I thought we already established that.

 

Yes bro, sin corrupts every fiber of the being! Only God has the power to make clean again. The funny thing is you think your still in control...so I would ask....if your still in control, why do you still sin?

 

My point is that you do not CHOOSE to believe in Christ before, after or during your conversoin.

You cannot CHOOSE to believe anything.

You are PERSUADED to believe. This is something that happens to you. Not something you create in yourself.

Try choosing to believe that you don't exist.

You can't. You can't help but believe it. You have not choice in the matter.

Belief is not by choice.

 

Well, that is what happened to me at salvation. The evidence of the gospel was presented to me. I was persuaded by it. And then I chose to believe it. If that is what you mean, I certainly agree with you.

 

I stated one in my post. I am sure you could go to www.google.com and find many articles and documentation there.