How Many Presidents were Genuine Christians

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  1. tomana

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    based on documents, reports, eye witness accounts, comments by friends & family, etc how many US Presidents were considered to be a genuine born again regenerated of heart do the Lord's will (and His will alone) Christian?
     
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    Perhaps Lincoln.
     
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    You just can't know. You can't know it for the current President, you can't know it for past Presidents, you just can't know.
     
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    Good answer.
     
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    We can examine fruit. Careful research on past presidents for those interested should yield results.

    As for the current president I would say he is no follower of Christ. He has no fear of God. He has no reverence for His Word. He enslaves the people he is supposed to protect. He actively works to support the murder of those who most need protection. He supports sexual sin.
     
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    We become Pharisees of the highest degree when we attempt to make a claim on the salvation of a public figure when we stand at such a distance from them.

    The media is no accurate lens and we have no authorization to make such judgments.
     
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    Without a doubt, and then to try and "examine fruit" of men who lived years before us. yeah, no thanks.
     
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    Only God knows
     
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    Only God knows but I have my doubts about a person who glorifies the slaughter of unborn children!
     
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    We can know. Men make professions of faith all the time. These men also left a treasure trove of writings. Many others have written about them. We also have the record of their policies. If someone was seriously interested in knowing if they were Christians they could find out.

    If I can know that I am saved, and Scripture says I can know, then it stands to reason others can know if I am saved.

    Paul and John both wrote about false converts that were influencing the churches. How do we know they we were false converts? They taught false doctrines (for example, denying that Christ came in the flesh). We can, and should, be men and women of discernment. The writer of Hebrews tells us that this is a sign of spiritual maturity.

    Heb 5:14 But solid food is for the mature, who because of practice have their senses trained to discern good and evil. (NASB)
     
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    Obama said all paths lead to God. He is lost as the day is long. Period. This idea that we do not know is ridiculous. We know because scripture makes it clear not because we have judged.
     
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    The moment we become judges of the salvation of others we make a mockery of the efficacy of grace and become like the Pharisees Jesus condemned.
     
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    Mitchell, please give us the list of all the Presidents and list whether each of them are a believer or not. Thanks.
     
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    No. You are welcome.
     
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    Oh but I thought the idea that we do not know is ridiculous? #fullofhotair
     
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    What in the world are you talking about? How is one related to the other?
     
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    The whole thread is about what Presidents are genuine believers. Some suggested there was no way of knowing. You said that was ridiculous. So if it is ridiculous then inform us who was and who wasn't a believer.
     
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    Why?....................... What does that have to do with it?
     
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    Knowing them by their fruits refers to false teachers, not being able to figure out amongst the general populace who is and who is not saved. You can make a guess, such as you think Obama is not based on this and that. There are two things here. One is, you cannot see someone's inner spirit, or the Holy Spirit's presence in them, unless you invented a Holy Spirit Detector. Secondly, even if you could detect that, since all humans are flawed, then one is not looking at the person through the eyes of God.

    You can guess with a high probability, but you do not know.
     
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    Remember Jesus said people would know His disciples by their love for one another. The idea that we can't know is a serious error.
     

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