How to Ban Guns: A step by step, long term process

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  1. poncho

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    The only way we can truly be safe and prevent further gun violence is to ban civilian ownership of all guns. That means everything. No pistols, no revolvers, no semiautomatic or automatic rifles. No bolt action. No breaking actions or falling blocks. Nothing. This is the only thing that we can possibly do to keep our children safe from both mass murder and common street violence.

    Unfortunately, right now we can't. The political will is there, but the institutions are not. Honestly, this is a good thing. If we passed a law tomorrow banning all firearms, we would have massive noncompliance. What we need to do is establish the regulatory and informational institutions first.

    This is how we do it
    : CONTINUE . . .

    Check out the poll at the end of this article. 90% (the vast majority) voted NO! To a gun ban.
     
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    It won't happen. There are too many guns out there. That being said the radical left would like nothing better than a disarmed populace. That is the only way a dictatorship can survive.
     
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    Not Quite.
    They voted 'No' to a gun ban in the next 10 years.

    A 10 year time frame is not viable. Attempts to ban guns within that time frame would expose law abiding people to all the criminal risk the gun lobby is so fond of promoting.

    Reasonable gun control in the US will probably take 50 years.
     
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    I should have said:
    "Reasonable weapons control in the US will probably take 50 years."

    Provision needs to to be made for technology development.
     
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    Oh well that makes all the difference in the world.

    Reasonable gun control? You mean a firm hold and not putting your finger on the trigger until ready to fire?

    My daughter had reasonable gun control 20 years ago. You should see her gun control now. :smilewinkgrin:
     
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    :laugh:....
     
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    Australia has "reasonable" gun control right?

    You all had to turn in your semi auto rifles not to long ago because it was the "reasonable" thing to do right?

    Now your gun grabbers want your bolt action rifles too.

    "Guns are a bit like a virus, you clamp down on one type of gun, another one pops up and you have to deal with that." Philip Alpers

    Sounds "reasonable" doesn't it?
     
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    They don't even have to ban guns. All they have to do is ban ammo and self-loading supplies.
     
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    The government is working on that now. While it buys up billions of rounds of ammo for itself.
     
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    Our gun control is obviously stricter than many countries, but I don't think it's adequate.

    A bit like smoking which has been progessively restricted over the last 50 years, weapons control also needs development.

    And we also need to do lots of work on the many other things which result in unreasonable deaths:
    Cars
    Obesity
    Skin cancer
    etc. etc

    There's alsways some aspect of society which can be improved with a little vision and committment by the community. The quotation you provided from Philip Alpers is interesting:
    "Guns are a bit like a virus, you clamp down on one type of gun, another one pops up and you have to deal with that."
    I'm not familiar with Philip Alpers and need a little more context. Is he suggesting there is no point to making any effort on gun control, or is he saying that just like the health industry efforts to overcome viruses, weapons control needs to continually develop?

    I'm a non-smoker. Occassionally I think about smoking a pipe. If I do take that up I will have to abide by the various restrictions in place. I'm sure the restrictions imposed by my wife and friends will be much tougher than any legislation.
     
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    Okay what I'm getting out of this is you agree with Eric Holder. People are to stupid to make their own decisions so the loving government should brainwash people to accept total control over their lives by a faceless group of experts who are the only ones that know what's best for all of us.

    Is that about right?
     
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    Poncho,

    You're starting to make more and more sense to me now. Is that scary or what?
     
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    No not really I think at some point the acts of tyranny just become to obvious and overwhelming to ignore.

    Now if we could just get beyond the false left vs right paradigm that divides us we might just be able to win our freedoms back.
     
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    Hardly.

    I think government is a tool to be used by the community and individual for the maximum benefit of the community and individual.

    I read something recently that had a similar theme - but maybe it was just government brainwashing.
    ".... governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed."


    Democracy raises interesting questions about leadership vs representation, and about self-interest vs community interest.
     
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    Contrary to the popular consensus the form of government we have here in the United States is not a democracy. It is a republic. At least it was at the nation's founding.

    So you have read our declaration of independence. That's good. Have you ever heard of Edwards Bernays? He is called the father of public relations.

    Here's what he believed.

    "The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. . . . In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons . . . who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind."

    Turn on your tv or radio any day of the week and what do you see and hear? The "consent of the governed" being manipulated. You may not recognize it as manipulation but that's what it is.

    Government is indeed a tool but it isn't used by the community or the individual for the benefit of society maximum or otherwise. It is used by a small group of people the "global elite" to take advantage of whole populations for their benefit and their benefit alone.

    So, this ".... governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed." no longer holds true.

    Not so long as "consent" can be so easily gained through manipulation. Government brainwashing? No friend. For the most part it's the international banking cartel and the global corporations they sponsor doing the brainwashing through their control of the conglomerated mass media. From the moment you wake up to the minute you go to sleep unless you live in cave without tv or radio your consent is being engineered to benefit a small group of people. These are the true rulers.

    Rule by a few is known as an oligarchy and oligarchies are anti democratic and they prefer unarmed serfs that cannot resist their rule.
     
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