How to deal with Church of Christ accusations against Baptist

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  1. JohnnyReb

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    Firstly I hope this is the correct area for this thread. My intention is NOT to start a debate with COC members but for Baptist to discuss how to deal with things they try to tell us were doing wrong. This may or may not have happened to you but I know I have been approached many times by them trying to tell me they are the ONLY true church.

    Soo...my Dad is a Church of Christ member and I know a few others. They are good people. But trying to talk to them about things is like talking to a steel fence post. They hear nothing you say. Especially my Dad....sometimes I get tired of hearing about how I go to a " man made church". I think he was a bit surprised when I finally told him Alaxander Cambell who founded the Church of Christ was a MAN and that Joseph Smith who founded the Mormon Church was also a MAN and that the first Mormon Churches beared the name " Church of Christ". The example of Joseph Smith should tell anyone with common sense that because a BUILDING says Church of Christ on the door doesn't mean it bears good fruit !

    Another....I've been singing old Hank Williams Gospel songs at Church with my guitar and was told by a COC that I was wrong for doing that and it was man made worship. Really??? Where in the bible does God forbid musical instruments.....it doesn't. Actually in PSALM 150 it encourages praising god with various musical instruments. COC says well that was Old Testament. So since when was the God of the Old Testament different from God now? Sorry but he is the same God fellas. It seems to me that a MAN decided musical instruments were forbidden in worship in their services and not God. And that's fine. If they prefere singing only...great. But telling people they are SINNING when using a instrument in Church is a little too far in my opinion. But mostly it is near impossible to explain this to a COC member. Usually their explanation is " well it isn't authorized by the bible". Really?....and when was the electricity and running water AUTHORIZED by the bible that they use in their building?

    Not even going to touch the Baptism issue with them :tonofbricks:

    So anyway....hey these guys are believers in Christ and I love them. It's to bad that they ( or the ones here) wont even consider having a friendly fellowship with Baptist people.....actually forbidden I think. It's so frustrating that they often are a brick wall to reason and explanation against their obvious MAN MADE rules that they all so commonly accuse the Baptist of being guilty of. And I just wonder had anyone ever had any success convincing a COC member that they were deceived????????
     
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  2. sag38

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    Pray for them. They are entrenched in a cult and have been well indoctrinated in the lies of C of C.
     
  3. JohnnyReb

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    That's interesting that you refer to them as that. My mother told me when my dad started going to COC that he had to take a bunch of tests and was secretly doing things he hid from his family. He even got Baptized in secret she said. That is really scary to me. He hasn't went to church in years but still believes in the things he was taught there. I do pray for him and all of them. But that is scary to me
     
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    Paul, writing to the congregation at Ephesus, says in Chapter 5:19
    [QUOTEaddressing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart,
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    Paul encouraged us to use the psalms in our worship. There is no disagreement that the psalms were sung accompanied by stringed instruments, such as the psaltery and the harp.
     
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    Paul encouraged us to use the psalms in our worship. There is no disagreement that the psalms were sung accompanied by stringed instruments, such as the psaltery and the harp.[/QUOTE]

    Try telling that to a COC member.

    And hello Tom....good to see a fellow Kentuckian :godisgood:
     
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    You know after thinking about it I realize how foolish my thread is. Sure I don't agree with them but they are believers in Christ. What they think about Baptist should be the least of my worries when Islam is killing people and sending people to hell by the millions. The Mormons are giving people a book containing a false gospel of Christ and sending people to hell by the thousands. A Muslim can kill the body of a Christian but not his soul! But a Muslim and his evil book who is converting people to Islam is killing their souls and far worse than death of the body! They are my enemy. The COC and what they think is the least of my worries. Pardon me for my foolishness. If I need to prove anybody wrong let it be the atheist and the devil.

    :godisgood:
     
  7. Earth Wind and Fire

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    Wonder what they think about Hard Shell Baptists?
     
  8. sag38

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    The C of C preaches Jesus yes but they add to it extra Biblical requirements. In fact, most believe that you have to be baptized into the C of C. Otherwise you are not saved. Honestly, I am not real sure about their relationship with God. They have perverted grace and made it a works gospel. They are not in relationship with God through faith in Christ Jesus. They are practicing a religion.
     
  9. Tom Butler

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    Let's stir the pot a little.

    I have several Church of Christ friends and relatives. If you ask them what is required for salvation, they will of course say, Repent, trust Christ, and obey him by being baptized.

    But. Once he has repented and trusted Christ, is he now saved regardless of what else he thinks he must do? Even though he may believe that baptism finishes the process, does it make any difference what he thinks?

    He has repented. He has trusted Christ. Even though he may think that's not enough, hasn't he at that point done exactly what the scriptures say? Is that enough for God?

    What do you think?
     
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    Has he really trusted Christ? Some perhaps so but for those who profess Christ and yet add extra Biblical requirements to the gospel I'm not so sure of. Their focus is not on grace but on actions. That's not relationship. That's religion.
     
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    The scripture verse that pretty much destroys the argument against using contemporary music with amplified guitars has got to be:

    3 Sing unto him a new song; play skilfully with a loud noise. [KJV]

    BTW, the verse has the most impact in the KJV. Here's the same verse in other versions:

    3 Sing to him a new song; play skillfully on the strings, with loud shouts. [ESV]

    3 Sing to him a new song; play skillfully, and shout for joy.[NIV]
     
  12. Gina B

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    What is the Church of Christ?

    Wouldn't any church with a name be able to be said to have been started/founded by a man? (or woman?) Even ours and the million different types of Baptist denominations now included.

    I have to say that I've wondered if we'd all be better off if everyone dropped it all and just started Church. All the different denominations seem to be causing more confusion than anything else.

    How did so many come out of just one Word?
     
  13. Zenas

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    Maybe you should step back and think about what you are saying. I'm sure your father is similarly frustrated by your inability or unwillingness to understand the faith from his POV. He is no doubt just as certain of the correctness of his doctrine as you are about yours. Like it or not, we interpret scripture through the lens of our own experience and when we reach maturity in a particular faith we are not likely to change. Our minds have locked out any other doctrines that we do not know. Most of us think we take our beliefs straight from the Bible, when in fact the Bible is used to substantiate already-held beliefs. I realize this will not set well with most who read it here, but it's the truth.
     
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    And so Zenas, what is the "truth?"
     
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    Aah yes the old everyone is wrong and no one is right routine. Hey let's all just throw our Bibles away and wait for Jesus to return. Oh wait we cannot be sure He is ever coming back or even existed because we never take our beliefs straight from the Bible. Of course no one else can know what the truth is but apparently only you can.:rolleyes:

    Give me a break. People should really think through things before they post so has not to show an inconsistent ideology all in the same post.
     
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    I had rather sing acappella any day of the week than hear a bunch of rock music and all the instruments banging in my ear. A piano is enough providing it is played right. No wonder Spurgeon didn't believe in musical instruments in the church. What i'm about to tell is a true story. Years ago when I was a young man I belonged to a Baptist church that didn't believe in music in the church. This church had been this way for years and Sunday attendance was a hundred people or so, real good for a country church. A majority of the members including me grew dissatisfied with this because other denominations were having Sunday singings and inviting singing groups and we didn't. The church had several meeting over this issue and tempers would flair, feeling got hurt and it resulted in a split in the church. The members that didn't believe in music left and built there own church about a mile up the road. That was in the seventies and to this day there is open wounds that never has healed. The Lord convicted me of my part in this and I went to the ones that left and apologized. I don't attend either one of these churches any more but the one I attend today does have a piano. One more fact about the church that got their way, Right after the other members left, this church voted in a preacher whose wife played the piano. Singings were arranged and all went well for about a couple of years. Soon after that the piano player and her husband the preacher left the church, got a divorce, both are remarried and no member in the church since then has ever had enough talent to play a piano. You cannot work up The Spirit with music like most churches try to today.
     
  17. JonC

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    I’ve wondered the same thing. The primary objection seems to be baptismal regeneration – but if baptism is symbolic rather than a sacrament conveying grace then it seems that those in the CoC would be saved but simply holding on to an incorrect doctrine.
     
  18. Zenas

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    Sag and Rev. managed to come up with the predictable retorts to my post. Rev., if you will go back and read my post you will see that I don't claim to own the truth. However, I have met with great frustration in trying to get a person to see the error of his long held beliefs. After many approaches to the issue, I came to realize he was just as convinced of his beliefs as I was of mine and he definitely did not want to change no matter how many facts, how much logic, how much scripture I gave him. He even admitted to me that I know more about the Bible than he does and my arguments were better but he didn't want to change and was not receptive to what I was saying.

    That having been said, and I don't want to derail a good thread here, my advice to JohnnyReb is, "Give it up. Your father isn't interested in seeing scripture from your POV. Go talk to somebody who is receptive.
     
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    Well Im pretty sure they are promoting an Old School Way of Life. Nothing wrong with that (In my book)
     
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    ask him if a person refuses to be water baptized, is that person saved by the Cross of Christ or not?
     

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