How To Know “for Sure” That Your Saved

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  1. stilllearning

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    Many people hesitate to even bring up this question, because they don’t want to take the chance of “causing people to doubt their salvation”:

    But what they fail to understand is, this is how the Lord will let you know, that you need to get saved.
    (If you have doubts, you aught to take them seriously.)

    Some might say, “Satan is the one, that causes people to doubt their salvation”;
    (But that just isn’t the case:)

    Satan wants us to be satisfied, with where we are. That way we will do nothing.

    He knows that if we start really thinking about it, and wanting to make absolutely sure, that we are saved, than that will lead us to start searching the Bible and going to the Lord in prayer;
    (And Satan certainly doesn’t want that!)
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    So the question remains, “How can we know for sure that we are saved”?

    First of all, the only true answer must come from the Bible;

    In Acts, the Bible says......
    Acts 16:30-31
    V.30 And brought them out, and said, Sirs, what must I do to be saved?
    V.31 And they said, Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house.

    This is great: But how do we know, that we have really believed?
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    I was once sincerely asked by someone, “How can I know, that I am saved?”

    The answer that the Lord gave me, at that moment was.....
    “If you have followed the Bible’s instructions, about getting saved, than you are saved!”
    (By the authority of God’s Word!)
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    So what are the Bible’s instructions, in this area?
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    The first time the word “saved” is found in the New Testament, is.......
    Matthew 10:22
    “And ye shall be hated of all [men] for my name’s sake: but he that endureth to the end shall be saved.”

    This is interesting, but it lacks all the details that we need.
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    And then here in Titus, we have another important detail about “salvation”.......

    Titus 3:5
    “Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;”

    i.e. True salvation, is a result of God’s mercy.
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    But here I believe, is the answer to our question; Because it gives us details....
    Romans 10:9-11
    V.9 That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
    V.10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
    V.11 For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.

    This answers our question:
    (1) The belief that is required, is the specific belief that “God raised Jesus from the dead”:
    (2) And this belief must be “in your heart”: A heart felt belief!
    (3) And if you have truly believed, than this faith will be followed by a confession:
    (You will not be ashamed of the Lord, but you will be proud of what has happed to you,
    and you will be anxious to tell others about it.)
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    Over the years, the Lord has laid it on my heart, to ask people, two questions:
    (1) Are you saved? (And if they say yes, I ask them:)
    (2) How did you get saved?
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    You would be surprised and maybe even shocked, at some of the answers, that I have received, to this second question.

    I remember one man telling me, that he knew that he was saved, because he had see a vision of three crosses in the sky.

    Countless other people, have told me, that they felt that they were saved, because they had attended some special Christian meeting or a Gospel concert etc.
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    It is so terribly important, that we get this one thing right, because if this isn’t right, than nothing else we do will matter.

    In conclusion, let me share one brief moment, of my testimony with you.
    It was during my lunch hour at work, back in 1981, and I was sitting in my pickup listing to a preacher on the radio, preaching the Gospel.
    When he was finished, he invited anyone who had heard the message, and knew that they were unsaved, to bow their heads and ask Jesus to save them.
    At that moment, I bowed my head and asked Jesus to save me. And my life hasn’t been the same since.


    The main point of this testimony, is the fact that as I raised my head from this prayer, I didn’t feel a great weight lift from my shoulders, nor did I see lighting flash;
    In fact, I didn’t feel any different at all.

    But three interesting things, did happen, immediately:
    (1) I felt the need to tell someone about what had happened to me; and I did.
    (2) I found an old Gideon New Testament in the glove compartment of my pickup, and started reading the Bible.
    (3) And I started feeling bad, every time I used a curse word. (This was just the start)
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    Now even though I don’t know the exact date, that this happened, I will never forget the moment, that I got saved.

    I believe that salvation, is such a life changing experience, that anyone that has been saved, aught to be able to remember that moment.




    Thanks for listening
     
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    ==Not agreeing or disagreeing, yet, but I would like to see you present a Biblical argument for your belief on this point.
     
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    London Baptist Confession
     
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    You know, I have heard different pastors say that Satan wouldn't make you doubt your salvation. They say, "If you have doubts, you'd come forward and get saved, and Satan doesn't want that."

    I've come to believe that that line of thinking is only half true. When is it true? If you aren't saved! On the other hand, if you ARE saved, the question is reversed: why WOULDN'T Satan make you doubt? If he can make you doubt that you're even a child of God at all, you sure aren't going to be serving God, are you? In other words, if he can cast doubt on your salvation, which is the very foundation of our relationship with God, what good are we to God's work here on earth?

    To anyone who thinks that a saved person won't ever have doubts, please look at the following verse:

    1 John 5:13 I have written these things to you who believe in the name (A) of the Son of God, so that you may know that you have eternal life. (HCSB)

    Now, why did John write these things? "so that you may know that you have eternal life." If every saved person automatically "knows", John wouldn't have had to write these things! There would have been no need!
     
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    There was a famous pastor in England during the 20th century named Dr. Martyn Lloyd Jones. My understanding is that Dr. Jones could not recount the "experience" of being saved. He undoubtably knew himself to be saved and spent the most of his life in dedicated service to our Lord.

    I say that to say this. Please don't think that your experience is the pattern by which all people must come to salvation.

    Although I appreciate your "testimony", I must say that I am much more impressed with your continuing faithful service to God as the validation of your salvation, than a prayer you repeated many years ago in response to a preacher.

    peace to you:praying:
     
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    This is exactly what James writes about, justification by works. Not justified in the sight of God, but men.

    Also, in terms of knowing for sure, I think that is a good question. You write that we must confess and believe. How do you quantify faith?
     
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    Hi Martin

    I really appreciate your response.

    I said........
    Then you said....
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    -You were right:-
    After looking & looking, I am not able to give you “Scriptural support”, for this statement.
    (Therefore, I am retracting this statement from my post.)

    This goes to show, that just because something “looks right” & “sounds right”, doesn’t necessarily mean, that it “is right”.

    If the Bible doesn’t say it, than I shouldn’t say it.



    Once again Martin, thank you.
     
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    Hi jdlongmire


    Your section, from the London Baptist Confession of faith, really hits home on this subject.


    Thank you
     
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    Hi Jeff

    You make a very interesting point.

    Part of what you said was........
    Sure enough, sometimes young Christians have doubts about their salvation(I remember that I did).
    But I am not convinced that these doubts are from Satan.

    The reason I say this, is because of what these doubts do in a person, regardless of weather they are lost or saved.
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    If anybody has doubts about their salvation, this shows that they are thinking about eternity, and that is never bad.

    If someone is saved, and they read something that causes them to have a twinge of doubt about their salvation(although this is not pleasant), it can cause then, no harm at all.

    Because it will prod them on, to take a serious look at their relationship with Christ, and they will come away from it, with more confidence and vigor.

    Now if they happen to be unsaved, it might cause them think twice, about their labors for the Lord(which is also good), because the more religious things an unsaved person does, the more they are convinced that they are saved.

    But doubting their salvation, may very well may bring them to Christ.
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    It’s kind of like preaching God’s Word; Sometimes it will hit you between the eyes, and point out some inconsistency in your life.

    This certainly isn’t peasant, but it is the best thing in the world for you.


    Hope to hear from you again.
     
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    Personally

    Personally, I experience my assurance of salvation when I serve. I find that after I fervently pray for the brethren, or serve the little Kindergartners in SS class or share in a Bible study with a sister, etc., that I experience tremendous joy...I am very edified when serving...that is how I experience my own assurance.
     
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    For many it is a process of small decisions to the point of the big decision. For some it is a series of small steps of walking with God. They cannot pinpoint any particular time but they know they are walking with God.
     
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    Don't back off it yet brother. I don't have time right now but later tonight I will post why you 'are' right.

    But just for a thought kicker.
    Where does scripture specifically state infants are saved?
    Or that the trinity is people yet one?
    or other things we see in scripture but it is not specifically stated as such but it can be seen throughout scripture.

    For instance how can a person go from the old nature to the new nature (where they have a completely changed view and attitude toward sin) and NOT know something happened? That there was a time in which I was 'no longer' the same.

    As I said I will post later but I can say that anyone who can't go back in their own life and know where that change took place, I would question them about their salvation. How can a person not know something has changed completely of them and about their views. If a person can't distinguish then chances are they never changed.

    Remember in Mat 7 toward the end that those who stand before God tell all about what they did (service) but never about what he did to them. Thus Christ states "I never knew you".
     
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    I believe you are misreading James. When James uses the phrase "justified by works", he is not using it the same way in which Paul says we are "justified apart from works of the Law".

    Paul uses the term "justified" as a forensic justification or a justification in a court of law. God declares us "justified" or declares in our favor, not on the basis of our works, but on the basis of our faith in Jesus.

    James uses the term "justified" to mean "validated". The "works" justify (validate) the faith that has been expressed, which is clearly his point. BTW, Paul makes the same point that Christian works validate your faith.
    I don't remember writing that we must "confess and believe" during this discussion.

    I agree it is a good question, and like so many others it has been answered in the quote from the London Baptist Confession.

    peace to you:praying:
     
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    The theme of James is a genuine saving faith accompanied by works in contrast to a creedal faith which is dead.
     
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    I agree with GB in part...but I'd say "as a result of" instead of "accompanied."
     
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    Hi nunatak


    You mentioned what was said in James.......
    Your right; James was talking about Justification before men:
    (While Paul was talking about Justification before God:

    Justification before God, requires no works at all, because God knows our heart:
    (While Justification before men, requires works, because others can’t know our heart, and can only make a determination about us, based upon our works.)
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    Also you said.....
    I didn’t say this, God did: In Romans!
     
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    Who am I to question the London Confession but I always find it interesting to look at proof texts that leave out the most important verse(s). For example, MA 7:22-23:

    Mat 7:22 Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?
    Mat 7:23 And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

    Left out are verses 21-22 which I personally think are much more enlightening.

    Mat 7:20 Wherefore by their fruits ye shall know them.
    Mat 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.
     

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