Humans descended from monkeys

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  1. evangelist6589

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    All living creatures arose from a single cell over millions of years… Eventually, humans descended from monkeys… Happy April 1st! Thankful that it is not true. I would like to share with you the truth. God created the heaven, the earth & the living creature (Genesis 1). Also God created you in God’s image (Genesis 1:26-27). Thank you for reading this far. Do you know that God is holy, righteous, loving & merciful. However, mankind is sinful. What is sin? For example stealing, lying, committing adultery, coveting, saying God’s holy name in vain…(Exodus 20) Good news! God sent His Son, Jesus who is only mediator between God and mankind (John 3:16 & 1 Timothy 2:5). Turning from your sinful way and trust in Jesus is only way to heaven and receive the gift of God, eternal life (John 14:6 & Roman 6:23). God loves you with everlasting love (Jeremiah 31-3). In God’s grace.

    One of the best two sentences for Christians to hear is law to the proud, grace for the humble. Go share your faith while you still have time.
     
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    Since Charles Darwin published the theory of evolution by means of natural selection in 1859, myths and misinterpretations have eroded public understanding of his ideas. For example, some people continue to argue that evolution isn't a valid scientific theory because it can't be tested. This, of course, isn't true. Scientists have successfully run numerous laboratory tests that support the major tenets of evolution. And field scientists have been able to use the fossil record to answer important questions about natural selection and how organisms change over time.
    Still, the evolution-is-not-falsifiable myth remains popular. So does this one: The second law of thermodynamics, which says an orderly system will always become disorderly, makes evolution impossible. This myth reflects a general misunderstanding of entropy, the term used by physicists to describe randomness or disorder. The second law does state that the total entropy of a closed system can't decrease, but it does allow parts of a system to become more orderly as long as other parts becomes less so. In other words, evolution and the second law of thermodynamics can live together in harmony.
    One of the most persistent myths, however, concerns the relationship of humans to great apes, a group of primates that includes the gorilla, orangutan and chimpanzee. Someone who believes the myth will say, "If evolution exists, then humans must be descended directly from apes. Apes must have changed, step by step, into humans." This same person will often follow up with this observation: "If apes 'turned into' humans, then apes should no longer exist." Although there are several ways to attack this assertion, the bottom-line rebuttal is simple -- humans didn't descend from apes. That's not to say humans and apes aren't related, but the relationship can't be traced backward along a direct line of descent, one form morphing into another. It must be traced along two independent lines, far back into time until the two lines merge.
    The intersection of the two lines represents something special, what biologists refer to as a common ancestor. This apelike ancestor, which probably lived 5 to 11 million years ago in Africa, gave rise to two distinct lineages, one resulting in hominids -- humanlike species -- and the other resulting in the great ape species living today. Or, to use a family tree analogy, the common ancestor occupied a trunk, which then divided into two branches. Hominids developed along one branch, while the great ape species developed along another branch.
    What did this common ancestor look like? Although the fossil record has been stingy with answers, it seems logical that the animal would have possessed features of both humans and apes. In 2007, Japanese scientists believe they found the jawbone and teeth of just such an animal. By studying the size and shape of the teeth, they determined that the ape was gorilla-sized and had an appetite for hard nuts and seeds. They named it Nakalipithecus nakayamai and calculated its age to be 10 million years old. That puts the ape in the right place on the time line. More important, the scientists found the ancient bones in the Samburu Hills of northern Kenya. That puts N. nakayamai in the right geographic place, along a trajectory of hominid evolution that stretches for several hundred miles in eastern Africa. The Middle Awash region of Ethiopia lies to the north, where the African continent dead-ends into the Red Sea.

    http://science.howstuffworks.com/life/evolution/humans-descended-from-apes.htm

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  3. Aaron

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    Which, being interpreted, meaneth humans descended from monkeys.

    Here's some real science to consider: http://www.icr.org/article/dna-study-contradicts-human-chimp-common/
     
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    As someone who loves science and all things scientific and as someone who is a Christian ...

    ....I have to ask. If apes and humans have a common ancestor and both apes and humans evolved from this common ancestor, then where do Adam and Eve come in?

    No Adam and Eve - created from the dust of the ground and of a rib - no Fall.

    No Fall? No sin.

    No sin? No need for Jesus.

    No need for Jesus? No relationship with God.

    No relationship with God? Life isn't worth living.
     
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    When one believes a lie, many other lies fit the pattern of false premise. If one believes a lie long enough it becomes a fact. Conclusions drawn from false premises are necessarily false, regardless of one's pedigree. How dumbeth is that?

    Why are we still making full blown structure with soft tissue from a jawbone and some teeth? "N. Naka Naka may have been a not so ancient oriental pig--yep, Nebraska Man revisited--transported from the West to the Isles of Nippon--by a sunnami. Artist's concepts are not real science.

    Take another read of what Charles Darwin said about the theories now called facts. He admitted being in error without an abundance of evidence. Where is the evidence?--certainly not in jawbones and teeth.

    Why do we not believe Gen. 1? A little child can understand. Some folks have been at Oxford /Cambridge too long.

    Even so, come, Lord Jesus.

    Bro. James
     
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    lol. lol.

    Darwin and his minions, they all got it wrong.
    we did not descend from monkeys.
    they descended from us.
    we will be like them, very soon, they (the monkeys) just haven't figured it out yet.
     
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    The staff of the link QF posted. I notice that the staff has some real heavy weights in science, particularly the science of Thermodynamics. [​IMG]


    The writer of the article posted by QF is William Harris, a freelance writer stationed near Washington, D.C. He holds a bachelor's degree in biology from Virginia Tech and a master's degree in science education from Florida State University.

     
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    The staff of the link QF posted. I notice that the staff has some real heavy weights in science, particularly the science of Thermodynamics. [​IMG]


    The writer of the article posted by QF is William Harris, a freelance writer stationed near Washington, D.C. He holds a bachelor's degree in biology from Virginia Tech and a master's degree in science education from Florida State University. [​IMG]

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    Could you provide some references?

    The fossil record becomes more untrustworthy with time. It has always been based on a uniformitarian history of the earth.

    A reliable reference would be appreciated.

    The basic question which has already been asked is : What about Adam and Eve?
     
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    Uh okay... This was a April fools joke.. Humans did not come from apes.
     
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    What about Adam and Eve? Why and how were they created?

    Adam first and the woman taken from him. And all their surroundings.

    The first two, one might say children, in the following context.

    Now I say, That the heir, as long as he is a child, differeth nothing from a servant, though he be lord of all; (See the what is man passage in Heb. 2)
    But is under tutors and governors until the time appointed of the father.
    Even so we, when we were children, were in bondage under the elements of the world: Gal 4:1-3

    Were they as children, though heirs, created in bondage under the elements of the world? Consider. Romans 8:20 NKJV For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it in hope;

    Now before any of that creation was created, inclusive of Adam and Eve, the Creator had determined; 1 Peter 1:18-20 Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers; But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot: Who verily was foreordained before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

    God created, the creation, inclusive of Adam and Eve, who was taken from Adam, as heirs, yet children subjected in futility and bondage of corruption R8:20,21. For the creation was subjected to futility, not willingly, but because of Him who subjected it (in hope); because the creation itself also will be delivered from the bondage of corruption into the glorious liberty of the children of God.

    Why?

    But when the fulness of the time was come, God sent forth his Son, made of a woman, made under the law, To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons. Gal. 4:4,5
    Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, 1 Peter 1:18

    For the earnest expectation of the creation eagerly waits for the revealing of the sons of God. Romans 8:19

    (In Hope). Above.

    Before the foundation of the world God, who cannot lie, also made a promise. Hope of eternal life.

    Who would need to receive that Hope for redemption to take place?
    Who would need to be given that Hope so that adoption through him, could take place?

    Would the Faith of God be for the one who died for all be given the promised Hope of God?

    Were Adam and Eve created for the Christ to be born of woman to redeem them under the law of futility and corruption and be, "born again," as sons of God?

    Redeemed from the corruption of their creation into incorruptibility.

    But is now made manifest by the appearing of our Saviour Jesus Christ, who hath abolished death, and hath brought life and incorruptibility to light through the gospel: 2 Tim 1:10
     
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    I think the following documentary does a good job showing Darwin's theories of evolution to be invalid.

    IMO, Never is it possible that natural selection could anywhere near make the type of changes Darwin alleges. As a mathematician I would think the odds against Darwin's theories of evolution being able to be true, which are spoken of in the following documentary would put to rest any ideas that take natural selection even close to evolving to the changes Darwin proposed. His scientific theory seems quite invalid to me in any logical or statistical sense:

    http://www.baptistsymposium.com/for...rums/apologetics/2227-charles-darwin’s-ideas…
     
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    I have told you many times I have few problems with the concept of evolution, my problem is with evolution in a complete naturalistic flavor. I think it is entirely possible that humanity evolved under the direction of God, and at a point, God breathed into an "original pair" the neshama.
     
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    I would agree with you on the surface, the "mathematics" of evolution is extremely challenging, from purely that standpoint. I cannot wade too deeply into biochemistry and biology, because my knowledge base is shallow, however, Michael Behe makes some compelling scientific arguments for the parameters of evolutionary biology. I prefer to be thought of as one who holds to intelligent design. Evolution, if directed by God is ENTIRELY a possiblity.
     
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    You are actually correct, humans did not come from apes.
     
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    I have answered that question before, I believe Adam and Eve were real and result of the creative action of God.
     
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    I have to sign off from the darts, arrows and spears as I have small group tonight and I promised the wife I would vacuum and mop the wood floors.
     
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    Are you saying that for hundreds of thousands of years a man-like animal existed and at some point God gave a man and a woman a "soul". So what happened to all those man-like animals that God helped "evolve" but who had no soul.

    Scripture tells us the following about this first man and woman who were given a soul:

    Romans 5:14. Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam’s transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

    1 Corinthians 15:22. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.


    Did death enter by Adam?
     
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    The Bible states man is made in the image of God. If man shared a common ancestor with an ape, how would this still be the case? Would the ape also be made in God's image since they had a common ancestor?

    Jesus also would have been descended from a common ancestor, and ultimately from a single cell organism. Jesus has always been 100% God and 100% Man.
     

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