Hunter shot by Cheney has Heart Attack

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  1. LadyEagle

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    While the jokes are making the rounds around the country, it is really nothing to joke about. The man is 78 years old and there is a pellet lodged in his heart (not in the heart chambers) which has led to him having a heart attack. He went for a cardiac catheterization this morning and had a stent put in. Doctors are not planning to remove the pellet at this point. The man was moved back to intensive care and is on heavy doses of antibiotics (for possible infection) and he could potentially develop other serious problems.

    My prayers are for him and his family, that they may come to know the Lord through this, if they don't know Him already. Also, consider the possibility - what if he should die? This could be ruled as an accidental homicide. Not too great for the VP of these United States and could literally be a shot heard around the world.

    Please keep this thread serious. It really is a serious matter - the man may be literally fighting for his life.
     
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    I believe you are mistaken about the stent. Doctors said there was no blockage in his arteries. A stent is only inserted to correct a blockage.
     
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    Question...

    If this lawyer has a major heart attack and passes, can and will VP Cheney be charged with Negligent Manslaughter or some such charge? Or will it be brushed under the carpet?
     
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    LE, Yes it is serious but we were led to believe that this type of accident is common among hunters (I presonally would not hunt with a bunch of guys who are prone not to be aware of thier surroundings). I pray that Mr. Whittington does make a full recovery and that the V.P. will retire from bird hunting.
     
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    I thought I heard about the stent on Fox News, but not sure if I heard right. But you may be correct, Old Reg, I might be mistaken.
     
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    I am concerned because the information didn't seem to be forthcoming to the nation and when it was, it didn't seem all that serious of an injury. I went on the smoking gun dot com and looked at the official report with police diagram and the man was shot in the face, neck, and chest area.

    http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0213061cheney1.html


    Diagram is in the upper right hand corner of the police report.
     
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    Yes, I heard that his face was peppered with pellets and part of his chest.
     
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    It's really quite sad.

    Correction to my above post: Link is to the Wildlife Report, not police report.
     
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    I don't think it would count as negligent homicide because that would require Cheney knowingly acting in a way that would reasonably be foreseen to cause injury or death. This was just an accident. Both Whittington and Cheney share responsibility (Whittington shouldn't have approached without making sure they knew he was there, and Cheney shouldn't have swung his gun out of a known clear line of fire), but most of it was just bad luck.
     
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    From 30 yards with birdshot from a 28-gauge. If it weren't for the pellet lodged in his heart (and a bb gun could do that), he'd probably be home by now.
     
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    From what we understood, Cheney shot at a bird and as the buckshot fell it hit the man who ahd walked in the line of fire. And yes, things like this are common in hunting.
     
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    From 30 yards with birdshot from a 28-gauge. If it weren't for the pellet lodged in his heart (and a bb gun could do that), he'd probably be home by now. </font>[/QUOTE]At 30 yards a bb gun [unless it were an air rifle] would not penetrate the skin, much less the chest. In fact I find it difficult to believe that a bird shot would penetrate the chest to the heart at 30 yards unless the man had little muscle mass on the chest. Also it had to miss the ribs. Strange!
     
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    I do hope that Mr. Whittington recovers.

    I find it rather interesting that the Vice President's office is pretty much telling the President's office what news will be released and when. That is evidently why there was such a delay in the accident being reported.
     
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    Old Regular,

    it didn't penetrate the chest.....it apparently went into his face or neck area and then a small piece of the birdshot traveled through his bloodstream and became lodged near the heart, causing a "silent heart attack". From the news report I heard, the man did not even realize he had had a heart attack. Being 78 years old though is very likely playing a part in why the doctors are keeping him for observation.
     
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    Buckshot doesn't fall from out of a shotgun, it is forcefully projected out. A hunting accident like this is only common if all your buddies are named Bubba and everyone is drinking PBR.
     
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    Things like this may be common to some people while hunting...but it is also common for charges to be brought (reckless endangerment, negligent manslaughter, involuntary manslaugher, etc.). Just because its an accident, doesn't mean you can't be held responsible.

    Not buying the buckshot falling...no way that many pellets go in from a falling shot 30 yards away.

    Most of all though, I hope everyone's prayers are with Mr. Whttington and his family during this trying time.
     
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    I wasn't supposing the same range for the hypothetical bb gun. And apparently a fragment of birdshot travelled through his veins to the heart, which explains that. I thought that was odd too.
     
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    Some reports are saying 30 feet, not 30 yards. Wonder which it is. :confused:
     
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    I read an article with commentary by the original doctor who treated him who said that the pellets were just under the skin and required only initial treatment with antibiotics. If it were 30 feet, the situation would be much different!

    Additionally, the accident report at the link you posted has 30 yards reported on the second page.
     
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    Buckshot doesn't fall from out of a shotgun, it is forcefully projected out. A hunting accident like this is only common if all your buddies are named Bubba and everyone is drinking PBR.
    </font>[/QUOTE]I didn't say it fell out of the gun. Get your facts about my posts straight or don't reply at all.
    You aim, in the air at a bird, some is supose to hit the bird, but not all of it will, if any at all, the rest falls to the ground, or on whatever is below it. They call that GRAVITY.
    Make any sense now?
    And these accidents are common. Like it or not.
     

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