Hyles Anderson College under Schaap

The problem is he didn't control David in his teen years either. It was well known that David was a sexual predator even then. Dr. Hyles did not do his best to raise David correctly, as he continued to cover his son's actions up from his youth to his adulthood. Dr. Hyles also, up until the day of his death defended many sexual predators, including two who lived here in Tennessee, even going as far as sending people to defend them. These people were the Comb's. He also defended others in similar fashion, and refused to acknowledge any form of sexual sin that was in the church, or that was sent out from their church, instead, intending to cover it up. You should listen to the series called "Preying from the Pulpit" done by the news media, and the way some of the Hyles goons did the media, physically attacking several of them. Better yet, talk to some of the victims of sexual abuse by members of the staff at FBCH/HAC. It will more than enlighten you.

 

I read it. It is sad.

He was working under Jack Hyles' ministry for many years until he resigned from Hyles' church. George confronted Jack concerning the problems what George suspected. They disagreed each other then George left Hyles church. I agreed with George Godfrey.

Absolutely. </font>[/QUOTE]Wow, askjo...you and I actually agree on some things....AMAZING! The Godfreys are friends of my mothers. I know Victor Nischik, and am acquainted with Dr. Sumner, as well as others that left Hyles. I've corresponded on a regular basis with Brother Voyle Glover, and find all of these men to be credible people.

 

Know of any pastors like that who study the word each day. Anybody knows that when you study you learn. So if you learn you grow and become more knowledgable. So where does that leave men who make such boastful claims? They are just telling you about how much they study and grow.

 

The thing I have to wonder about is where were the leaders in the church during Hyles' tenure with his womanizing? So often men draw weak individuals to them because they provide a strength that the followers do not have. Usually it is a dogmatic direction. I have always said you can draw people if you know where you are going even if it is wrong, because most people don't know where they are going; they are aimless. The vast majority of people in society and in our churches are aimless. They want someone to tell them what to do. If someone does not tell them what to do they often do nothing.

 

I was a member at Anchor when I lived in Maryland. That was before they started the MBBC extension courses but I could probably answer questions about the church or point you to the right people.

Andy </font>[/QUOTE]Thanks, Andy. I have visited the church once, and know a couple of the members personally. I didn't want to start a bru-ha-ha here by asking if the courses are KJV-based. In other words, if I take a bible course, will the class be using a KJV bible.

 

It is definitely the Maranatha in Watertown, with real faculty members who come out to teach -- Dr. Oats, Dr. Saxon, Dr. Loggans, etc.

http://www.anchorbaptistonline.org/mbbc.htm

I know that Anchor uses the KJV as its official version, although they are not KJVO. I suspect that the classes would be held using the KJV but with alternative translations given as appropriate.

Andy

 

I doubt it is the Maranatha BBC I know. They have a large campus in Wisconsin, fully accredited, and I don't think they have satellite locations as you suggest. I could be wrong. I'll be on campus next Thursday and ask.

Maranatha Baptist CHURCH has Maryland Baptist Bible College. They are KJVonly and have extension courses. </font>[/QUOTE]Dr. Bob,

Check out the line below. Once at the page, click on Maranatha East. These are the courses that I was referring to. Thanks.

http://www.mbbc.edu/Academics/index.html

 

Looks like we posted about the same time, Andy. Thanks, again.

 

Hey I heard of a new rule at Hyles. Tell me if you think this is odd:
Music may not contain any foreign language in it because the music staff may not be able to discern if it is right or wrong lyrically.

I thought every one would get a smile of this odd new rule, and then shake their heads in empathy for the kids who are made by their parent to go to Hyles.
This is coming from a realilable source from a girl who is happy to be there. Weird huh?

Matt

 

Does that mean no songs will contain alleluia or hallelujah? How about Immanuel?

 

It sounds like you are so angry with Dave Hyles that you are bitter towards him and Jack Hyles

 

I agree.

As far as the 'new rule'. I don't believe it.

There are people on the staff, that collectively, know how to speak most languages on the face of the earth - including the ancient languages.

Whether you like Hyles Anderson or not - they are not stupid people...

 

I didn't notice this topic about HAC under Dr. Jack Schaap for a long time. Till it appears at Baptist Colleges recently.

I would like to make post on Jack Hyles.

I read a post in this topic, a person asked, is there any change of Hyles' belief in 20 years?

Yes. During year 1960's, Dr. Hyles was not KJV Onlyism.

I do have his book - "Let's Study the Revelation" written in year 1967. Dr. Hyles took these notes, which he taught it at his former church - Miller Road Baptist Church in Garland, Texas. He taught to the congregation on Revelation in year 1953. That was 48 years before Hyles' death. I read his comment on each verse by verse throughout book of Revelation. All of these verses from KV. I notice Hyles said of some verses from KJV is error, few of them, he says, "is better translated..." I believe, during that period around early 1950's, Dr. Hyles seems think KJV have some errors. Dr. John Rice was Jack Hyles' best friend since late 1950's to Rice's death. Dr. Hyles was aware that Dr. Rice is not KJV Onlyism. Still Dr. Hyles respect or admired Dr. Rice so much.

When I was a student at Bible college in the late 1990's. The teacher demanded us to read Dave Hyles' book -"Man's Role". For the class of man's role. The teacher told us, Dave Hyles already fall in sins years ago.

I did read throughout that book for class requirement. Interesting, Dave said, when he was a little boy. He went to the mall in Chicago, with his family. When he saw water foundation. He threw a penny in the water foundation. Immediately, his Dad yelled and said to him, "Off your shoe and sock, walk into the water foundation, pick up your penny, and put it in your pocket, not waste your money!" Dave was in red face and very embrass walked into the water foundation, while people were watching him same time.

What kind of father, Jack was???

No wonder, how sick Jack was. That why. Dave's biography life so awful terrible and sinful. I believe Jack already spoiled Dave's reputation. I think Jack's the role of father was failed. Also, I think he was acts like Pharisee as legalist. Also. he was focus on his ministry too much, not spent time with family even with his son.

I went to First Baptist Church of Hammond for Hyles' funereal in Febraury 2001. I was invited to my old friend's house. His wife told me about 'Pastors' School 2000'. Dr. Hyles invited Dr. Al Lacy came to lecture on KJV. During that Pastors School Conference in year 2000. She told me, Dr. Hyles was act so very weird. He shouted and jump, jump, jump and said, "KJV!" "KJV!" "KJV!" I was laughed what Dr. Hyles' action during Pastors School. That is kind of cult movement. I am against KJV Onlyism Movement. Understand, I am NOT against KJV. I do support KJV 100%. I do NOT worship KJV as my idol. Only worship Jesus Christ.

Sad news, what I heard from my friend told me about deaf couple from First Baptist Church of Hammond. A deaf man who graduated from Hyles-Anderson College in year 1999. He became evangelist. He got divorced in 2003. That man who invited me visit his house during Hyles' funeral.

He told me, he have to work full-time job at the factory to support his big family. He have to ask his boss(Hyles) for his approval, what the name of church, he will go for the revival. Because, Hyles required him go to church only with KJV for the revival. He cannot go to any churches without use KJV. That was no sense!

There are so plenty of deaf ministries in America need revival, need him go and preaching there.

Rev. Ronnie Rice is a deaf evangelist. He graduated from Tenneesee Temple University. He do travel many baptist churches for the revivals. BUT, he admits that he do attend Methodist churches with deaf ministry for revivals. I do not criticizse him. Nothing wrong with that. Deaf needs revival, not because of KJV. Focus on the gospel and Jesus Christ.

I believe my friend who invited me visit his house during Hyles' funeral, got divorced, because of that church caused his family destroyed because of KJV Onlyism situation, finical(money budget), and authorization problems.

I heard from my best friend from Washington D.C. told me, he heard from one deaf member of his church, that he heard from Jack Schaap shouted and said, "Hyles failed to built tabernacle, now I am King Solomon to replaced Hyles' place, and built bigger building..."

Right now, First Baptist Church is built a new bigger auditorium building. It should be finish this month with 10,000 seats and worth over $20 million dollars.

One thing that I dislike, when I visited First Baptist Church for Hyles' funereal. I saw three story building painted on its side outside. It painted of Jack Hyles with his wife Beverly, for his 50th Anniversary as pastor of First Baptist Church. That picture on the three story building looks so giant about 30 to 40 feet long. What a disguise looking. Because they worshipping Hyles too much. Also, they throw flowers on that building under the giant painted picture of Hyles and his wife during funeral on a rainy evening.

Also, I went into old First Baptist Church building. Oh what a unbelieveable! I looked in the hallway. There was overwhelming tons of flowers lied on the floor all the way through the hallway. They worshipping Hyles too much!

I did went down to the altar in the auditorium to looking at Jack Hyles' coffin, but, I only spot of my eye at him for ONE second, then walk away, that's it.

In the fall of 2001. At Hyles-Anderson College, they built 7 feet statute of Hyles and his wife around the campus of HAC. They still worshipping Hyles as their god.

That's sad.

In Christ
Rev. 22:20 -Amen!

 

I believe this topic (Hyles worship) has been addressed several times through the years, but it keeps coming back up. I asked myself why it lingers even after his death. I find it interesting that those who speak the proven truth about Mr. Hyles are criticized and ridiculed as being trouble makers and unfair.

I was raised in a Hyles church. If that statement alone doesn't send red flags, then you are dull. That any church calls itself a Hyles church for any reason is embarrassing to the cause of Christ. I am not exaggerating when I say that, in our church, Jack Hyles was lifted up and glorified more than Jesus Christ. Our pastor, of course, was a HAC graduate and was thoroughly brainwashed. He still is today. He is a good friend of mine and a wonderful man, but he is misguided in this area. My parents still attend his church and I know for a fact that not a sermon is preached without the mention of Jack Hyles in some way. That sounds like a stretch, but it is a fact. What this tells me is that Jack Hyles was a pitiful leader and a poor excuse for a pastor. A pastor is supposed to steer people to total reliance and blind loyalty in Christ. Some say that it was not Jack Hyles' fault that people followed him like they did. That is nonsense. He was not stupid. He knew how people felt about him, yet he did nothing to stop it, instead he encouraged it. A good leader and a good pastor will shed loyalty and humble themselves so that God receives ALL glory and honor. We are God's sheep, not a man's. It is sad that this blind loyalty to Mr. Hyles is still in operation today amongst his "daughter" churches and diehard followers. My former pastor has pictures of Mr. Hyles all over the church. It is pure idol worship whether they admit it or not. Someone in a post above alluded that we should leave this issue alone. I disagree. Since there is still a cultic practice of worshipping a man--whether it be Jack Hyles or any other person--it needs to be addressed. Wake up Christians!! Mr. Jack Hyles never hung on a cross.

 

To be factual, Jack Hyles church was not called 'Hyles Church'. It was the "First Baptist Church of Hammond".

I know many people who attended Hyles-Anderson college and they do not worship Jack Hyles.

I know there are those that do, but please don't lump everyone who attended there, together.

That is a good example of sterotyping.

 

I Am Blessed 16 said,
"To be factual, Jack Hyles church was not called 'Hyles Church'. It was the "First Baptist Church of Hammond".

Please reread my post and don't misquote me.

I did not say that Jack Hyles' church was called Hyles Church. I said that "I was raised in a Hyles church." Many of his graduates who have their own churches consider themselves "Hyles Churches". I have been in that circle long enough to know that. I am fully aware of the name First Baptist Church.

Also, I Am Blessed 16 said,
"I know there are those that do, but please don't lump everyone who attended there, together.

That is a good example of sterotyping."

You have just given a good example of replying to a post without reading what was typed. Please reference my post more carefully. I never once lumped everyone who attended there together. I was very specific to one man or to people who exhibited this cultic practice. I too know some people who went there that do not worship him, but MOST of them have openly admitted that things are and have been really wrong there for sometime.

 

I do not see the phrase, "some of his 'daughter' churches. That is why I made my comment.

My son attended Hyles-Anderson College (he did not graduate from there). He is also Pastors an IFB church in KS and by no means worships ANYone but Jesus Christ.

 

To say that blind loyalty to Mr. Hyles is still in operation today amongst his daughter churches and diehard followers in no way asserts that everyone within those groups is that way. My very own parents go to a "Hyles church" with a "Hyles Pastor" and they don't fall into the category of "Hyles worship" at all. At any rate, I wasn't stereotyping and if my post seemed that way, I do apologize.

I also pastor an IFB church in KS. Perhaps I know your son. I am not a famous man in these parts, but you know how small the world is sometimes. haha.