I just realized who this "Hyles" person is/was?..... I am getting some good insights into this from the college thread......this is what my old IFB church was!!!!!!......and more, truly spiritually abusive. I say that to say this, this board has been very personally enlightening to borrow a phrase. I am grateful to all for discussions on such issues. This has helped me resolve some issues and realize I truly made the right decision in leaving the old and moving on to the new.....I am still Baptist, I always will be, but now, I am Baptist living under grace, not legalism...thanks friends for helping me on this!!!!!!