I want to start off by saying (as most already know) that I do not hold to the theological view of the Sovereign grace doctrines (also nicknamed Calvinism). However I would also like to say that many of my Non-Cal brethren do not understand the difference between Hyper and historical Calvinism. But just to set the record straight neither am I an expert either. I wanted to do this because I feel it is somewhat needful. It might have been done before but oh well First, one of the reasons for this thread is that I have noticed many who hold to the Soveriegn grace doctrines state some things that 'seem' to reflect a distinctive hyper view. I'm not implying they are or any such thing but I would like to set the record here for what 'truly' constitutes a Hyper view in contrast to the 'historical' view. I'll start with this quote from Phil Johnson at Spurgeon.org called "A Primer on Hyper-Calvinism: In this he states: A hyper-Calvinist is someone who either: 1. Denies that the gospel call applies to all who hear, OR 2. Denies that faith is the duty of every sinner, OR 3. Denies that the gospel makes any "offer" of Christ, salvation, or mercy to the non-elect (or denies that the offer of divine mercy is free and universal), OR 4. Denies that there is such a thing as "common grace," OR 5. Denies that God has any sort of love for the non-elect. Please read the article to understand the intent of basic 5 views and not leap to assuptions before you type. Remember this is NOT discussing Calvinism but HYPER- Calvinism. One does not need to adhere at all of the 5 basic views in order to have Hyper tendencies, but if one holds to one of these tendencies it is very easy to graduate (so to speak) to the others. Again from Phil Johnson regarding the 'definition of a Hyper-Calvinist': One thing I have found is that many Cals who do not consider themselves Hyper do in fact hold or at least advocate two of the 5 positions he set forth. Most notably numbers 3 (denial of the gospel offer) and 5 (denial of Gods love toward the reprobate). There have been a few on before (but they have not been on here in a while) that hold to number 4 (Denial of common grace). Here is what Phil states regarding #3 - Denial of the gospel 'offer': In point #5 he states regarding the love of God toward the reprobate: Here is an additional listing set forth by Mongerism.com on hyper-calvinism. Found here This is set forth to give to better understanding of not only the differences between historic and hyper and of course Debate!