I am disappointed

Discussion in '2003 Archive' started by Pastor Sam, Jun 12, 2003.

  1. Pastor Sam

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    Am I a fundamentalist? Yes... I believe all the fundamentals of the faith. What grieves me is when I see people abuse their powers. I hate it when people who call themselves fundamentalist decide to shut up everyone else. They want everyone to agree with them and if they don't they will silence them one way or another. Each person has a right to their own opinion but we find some who call themselves fundamentalist, saying if you disagree with me you are wrong and I will shut you up.

    Some have been threaten and attacked verbally as well as emotionally. I am truly sick of these who claim to know it all. Why are you so afraid of letting someone else be heard?

    Well, Jesus offended many He preached to, but He kept on going. He didn't let those who disagreed with Him cause Him to be quit. It is my guess but those you try to shut up, they will keep on preaching the Word as they see it.

    God bless you all and I hope that you will see the light.
     
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    Pastor Sam --

    I am sure you have gotten your opinion from
    posts written to others, because it seems this is
    only your second post, and all theposts
    responding to you were very nice, welcoming
    posts. As a new person here, we cannot possibly
    know the histories behind posts and people. I
    have no idea about a lot o things here, and I have
    been here quite a while, comparatively.

    I would ask of you: Don't give up so easily! There
    are a LOT of truly Great People here! Sometimes,
    we have to choose our battles and sometimes, we
    have to chose to just back off from some who are
    too combative and those who will not hear you
    anyway. This is true in all social circles.
     
  3. massdak

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    pastor
    do you think it is good that people preach any kind of gospel as they see it? many liberals want to have a say in how the gospel is preached, they preach a different Jesus then the scriptures reveal.
     
  4. Scott J

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    What is a KJB defenders award and what must you do to get one?
     
  5. Pastor Sam

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    Go to website and it explains everything
     
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    I think that people may disagree with our view point but I don't think it is our job to go out and expose them and cause problems for them. Example: Call their church and tell their Deacons that there doctrine is wrong. It isn't our job to go out and cause problems in other churches just to preach, teach and reach.
     
  7. Scott J

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    Which website? I didn't find it on yours.
     
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    I agree with you, Pastor.
     
  9. Scott J

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    I am not big on interferring in someone else's business either. This, being a debate board, is a little different since we all come here knowing our beliefs will be challenged and usually come because we know this.

    But for the most part, Baptists by definition and distinctive believe in people's right to believe as they choose.

    With that said, there may be clear biblical exceptions. For instance, if a pastor holds a belief and hides it from his congregation then there might be a biblical prerogative for another Christian to follow the Matthew 18 model with him.

    Paul's example would also lead us to confront error and espouse biblical truth. I am not sure how one would go about establishing boundaries between not interferring and standing for truth. However, I suspect that this issue is much more difficult than many might suspect.
     
  10. Pastor Sam

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    Good, be disappointed!
     
  12. go2church

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    I believe the attitude expressed in the previous post is what Sam is refering to....just thought I would clear up the waters a bit.
     
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    With all due respect, this concerns me a bit. When we give out awards for defending a translation of God's Word rather than defending the Gospel, that concerns me. Could it be that a translation of God's Word is being worshipped and not God? :confused: It is scary when most of the KJVO sites I go to put something about the KJV as their first statement of faith, before God or Christ or anything else.

    Neal
     
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    Neal - You're right to be more than a little suspect about this nonsense. Elevating an English version above the Word of God is as close to bibliolatry as I've seen. Good insight on your part.

    We've come across a number of sites from men/ministries who give each other awards and doctorates and whatever for "defending the KJV". It is a sad, and may I say, "disappointing" day for fundamentalism when we allow those inmates to run the assylum! :rolleyes:
     
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    If the other translations were from the TR you would not hear much out of me. The NKJB is supposed to be from the TR but they bring the notes and philosophy from the other heretical texts into it thus making it a bad version. While Peter Ruckman and others like him bring reproach to the KJV or rather TR only position it is still a valid stance and I would say that the apostasy and confusion that has come about since 1881 confirms it.

    Why The Good Old KJV Is Still The Book For Thee!
     
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    Well nuts, I tried to nominate someone and the blooming server is not doing right. Probably the result of a radical left wing conspirator. ;)
     
  17. Scott J

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    Heretical texts? As compared to the TR? The TR is a product of a RCC scholar who depended on his Latin Vulgate for the last 7 vss of Revelation... Among several other problems such as using minimal evidence and changing the text based on mss that were probably contrived after Erasmus' first edition.

    The moderator is probably right. You should take this business over to the versions forum where your error can be dealt with more fully.
    What would you say that the apostasy, false doctrine, confusion, ignorance, and religious oppression of Erasmus' and King James' day says about the TR and KJV?... Will you apply a double standard?
     
  18. Pastor Sam

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    Many of the awards that were given were given to those who submitted a name of a KJB defended to the website. Of course we have many would were disappointed that no one nominated them and so they just made snobish remarks like the esteemed _____________ fill in the blank. I love the word of God and I will defend it till my dying day. Others will make fun but God will reward them for their works. This is what I was talking about at the beginning. I am disappointed at the way some who call themselves "christian" act and the way they treat others. If they disagree they attack them sharply and cut their very words. Everyone doesn't have a right to their own beliefs unless they agree with the esteemed you know who.
     
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    I am still disappointed too!!!
     
  20. Scott J

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    You mean something like: "Some people are very closed minded. Others don't have one!!!"

    BTW, this is a debate/discussion board. Folks don't come here to agree with what you say or to affirm/deny your right to believe as you please. We present our positions, consider those of others, and hopefully evaluate the quality of the arguments in pursuit of truth. Some people have come here and changed their minds. Others have sharpened their ability to defend their beliefs. Both instances can be beneficial if one is willing to see the truth and change if necessary.

    My personal beliefs are more fully developed on several subjects.

    Our presence here is a powerful statement of support for the idea that each of us can choose to believe as we feel led. If the fact that others disagree with me on issues of great importance was overwhelming then I would have no business participating in this type of forum.
     

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