I feel so lucky to have been raised baptist. (Sheltered?)

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  1. HungryInherit

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    I don't think I'm sheltered and feel blessed my parents brought me up in a SBC. I started posting and reading another Christian forum(only because this one is a bit slow at times) and feel blessed being able to come here and read posts from people whom I greatly admire, even though you don't know me.

    I read an eschatology forum there and am blown away that most people who post there aren't pretrib, and don't believe a rapture is even biblical. Don't get me wrong, I know there are some here who might hold to that too. But I never realized being a pre trib dispy was being in the minority. I see attacks, name calling and down right vitriol for pre trib views there.

    I'm not a theologian, but I've certainly studied my bible and read books and just can't see where they are coming from. I guess this thread is just kind of me venting, but I guess I never knew. Just want to say I love reading this messageboard and feel blessed to have found it and read the last few years.
     
  2. Tom Butler

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    Well brother, anybody from Miss-sippi is always welcome here.

    I think what we all want is to see every viewpoint on doctrine and practice articulated in the strongest and most effective possible ways. We need to test what we believe against the best arguments on the other side.

    As you have probably already seen, we don't always do it perfectly. Sometimes those arguments turn personal and petty.

    but I also confess that over my lifetime as a believer, I have changed my views when my own opinions could not stand up to withering cross-examination.

    I doubt if I'm alone.
     
  3. Scarlett O.

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    Hey....I was born in Mississippi - Hines County, Columbus Air Force Base. :tongue3:
     
  4. Wherever You Go

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    Hi, welcome. I am relatively new here.

    I'll just give you a friendly, pre-tribulational rapturous e-hug, so you feel better. :1_grouphug: You are not alone. Some of us believe pre-trib, including myself.

    I too am somewhat disappointed as to a lot of the unfriendly name-calling and personal attacks, but I try to be one of the ones who does not do so. I am not perfect, so I fail sometimes.

    Let us admonish and exhort each other and not alienate those with whose views we disagree. Two people will never agree on everything-- and I guarantee, if two do, then neither of them is me! :laugh:

    But we should exercise love and compassion one toward another while disagreeing.
    :love2:
     
  5. jonathanD

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    In my neck of the woods, pre-trib pre-mil is definitely the majority position.
     
  6. preachinjesus

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    Its always a good policy to be generous towards those with whom you disagree. This board, while having its moments, is still a nice place in a crazy world.

    Glad to see the OP and glad that this place exists.
     
  7. HungryInherit

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    Is that right! I went to school right down 82 at MSU.
     
  8. Iconoclast

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    HungryInherit
    Welcome to BB...

    It is a great blessing being raised in a christian home,and around the people of God.You have been spared many sinful situations ,and perhaps have had time to begin to form your own ideas on areas of the christian life:thumbsup:


    This is a large area of study...take your time.In church history, most people were not pre-trib. All christians believe in a rapture, just do not agree on the timetable for it.
    When they say they do not believe in the rapture, they mean the dispy pre-trib rapture idea.

    You are correct in this statement:thumbsup:

    Those who oppose it most strongly held it at one time,but now see it as flawed and perhaps harmful to the overall understanding of scripture....so they attack it.

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    We are all theologians to an extent. For you to hold any position on any doctrine, you need to be able to see"where they are coming from":thumbsup:

    Listen H.I.- What is most important is that you believe in the cross of Jesus and have a desire to serve him all of your life. This is most important because all christians for the last 2000 yrs, have all left their body already
    {personal eschatology}....so ...serving while in the body is a more pressing issue. Endtimes are important to study and there is great blessing in that, but as you jump into the threads you might see how others come to a different conclusion.

    67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

    68 Blessed be the Lord God of Israel; for he hath visited and redeemed his people,

    69 And hath raised up an horn of salvation for us in the house of his servant David;

    70 As he spake by the mouth of his holy prophets, which have been since the world began:

    71 That we should be saved from our enemies, and from the hand of all that hate us;

    72 To perform the mercy promised to our fathers, and to remember his holy covenant;

    73 The oath which he sware to our father Abraham,

    74 That he would grant unto us, that we being delivered out of the hand of our enemies might serve him without fear,

    75 In holiness and righteousness before him, all the days of our life.
     
  9. righteousdude2

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    Ummmmm....

    ...does it count to have passed through Mississippi? Welcome to the board.....

    As for the baptist thing. I feel blessed just to have been born-again, spirit filled, and going to heaven when this life is at its end! :saint:
     
  10. Tom Butler

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    Well, if there's going to be bragging about some connection to Mississippi, then here's mine. I was married in Corinth. Full-blown church wedding to a wonderful girl who grew up there, whom I met at college.

    My parents were also married in Corinth, but back in 1935, it was the place to run off to, since there was no waiting period. By 1960, they'd changed the law to require a waiting period, and parental permission for anyone under 21.

    Regarding your eschatology, the first end-time view I was taught was pre-trib. I didn't even know there was any other view. Hal Lindsey's Late, Great, Planet Earth was probably the most influential writing of that time.

    A few years later, our new pastor preached on the end times, but took a post-trib view. Whoa! Never heard that before. A bunch of us headed for the preacher after the service, to challenge him. He smiled, held up his hands and said, "Guys, we're not going to debate this right now. You have an assignment. I want you to bring me one single solitary scripture verse which clearly, unmistakably teaches a pre-trib rapture. This verse must be so clear that it is not subject to any other interpretation."

    Shoot, this was going to be easy.

    Oops. Couldn't find one.

    That was the beginning of my eventual shift from pre-trib to post-trib.

    I don't debate this very much, because when it happens, we'll all go at the same time.
     
  11. HungryInherit

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    Wow, what a small world. I worked for a paper plant in Corinth when I was at a local community college. Great little town with the best pizza joint in ms. Still hunt out there from time to time. Thanks for sharing that.

    Regarding a solitary scripture what about 1 thessolonians 5:1-11. I'm willing to change my stance on certain things but I wonder if people here would give this article a read?

    http://chafer.nextmeta.com/files/v6n4_2.pdf
     
  12. Tom Butler

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    Forty years ago, when I was introduced to pre-trib, the teaching was that I Thess 4:13-18 was the pre-trib rapture, and I Thess 5 was post-trib.

    I was taught that the "Day of the Lord" was equivalent to the post-tribulation Second Coming.

    I was also exposed to the idea that God had promised his people and escape from the wrath to come. The wrath was the Tribulation.

    But there is some room for another view, and that, to me, is the problem. So many of the so-called proof-texts can be interpreted more than one way.

    That's why I'm looking for a verse that provides no wiggle-room.
     

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