and really enjoyed being around him. He is not at all what I imagined (as far as his height goes). I always imagined a 6'3" kinda guy. The guy is about 5'9". Anyway, I told him how much I enjoyed taking a class of his in regards to inspiration and inerrancy. In his lectures, he included some historical significance to the doctrine and how the SBC was turned around. He just smiled and said, "It is fun to look back on, but it wasn't fun to go through at the time."