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I have a Bible Question

Discussion in '2004 Archive' started by shawna w, Apr 11, 2004.

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  1. shawna w

    shawna w New Member

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    My step-son and I were discussing Jesus' last words. Since there are a few different verses that say different things, I honestly didn't know the answer. So, here are the verses that I found. Can anyone explain which were his FINAL words? This would help me to be able to answer not only my step-son but a few other lost souls debating whether or not the Bible is true. Thanks.
    §hawna
    All of these are in the King James Version.

    Matthew 27:46 And about the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, saying Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani? that is to say, My God My God, why has thou forsaken me?
    Mark 15:34 is basically the same thing.

    Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

    John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

    Which of these were his final words. How do we know this.

    Thanks

    §hawna
     
    #1 shawna w, Apr 11, 2004
  2. HankD

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    The Scripture indicates that the disciples were "afar off" (except for John) from the actual crucifixion and they would have heard what He said in a "loud voice" from "afar off".

    John was right there with Jesus mother next to the cross and probably was the only one to hear "it is finished" just before Jesus bowed His head and died.

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    #2 HankD, Apr 11, 2004
  3. dianetavegia

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    I don't see those as conflicting Shawna. The verse in Luke mentions Jesus crying with a loud voice. He doesn't give us the words Christ said in that loud voice. Now remember that Luke is a medical doctor. He wrote HIS view of the death of Christ as a doctor.

    John was a very young man. Most probably an older teen. He was the disciple who really knew how much Jesus loved us! He spoke of himself in the 3rd person as to show how 'lowly' he knew we all are compared to Christ. John called himself, 'The Disciple whom Jesus loved'. John's rememberances and writings were filled with deep devotion and love for Jesus as his master, savior and a great friend.

    I've said before that there might be a car wreck. A police officer, a doctor, a mother, an older man witnessed the wreck. Ask them all what happened. The officer will tell you who broke which law. The doctor will view it from what caused which injuries. The mother will focus on the children in that car. An older man might point out that the driver was distracted by loud music or a cell phone. They all saw the very same wreck but from their OWN eyes and their own 'take' on things. None of the information is 'wrong' or conflicting.... just different things are more important to different people.

    Diane
     
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    Jesus cried out "TETELESTAI" (It is finished; paid in full) with a loud voice, then said "PATER, EIS CHEIRAS SOU PARA-THASOMAI TO PNEUMA MOU." (Father, into your hands I will commit my spirit)
     
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    AAAAAAAAMEEEENNNNNN!!! I'm preaching on that this coming Sunday---a week from today!! "Into Thy hands I commit My Spirit!"
     
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    Dr. Bob and Diane, [​IMG]
     
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  7. shawna w

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    In Luke it does say that Jesus said in a loud voice and what his words were. Luke 23:46 And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.

    Dr. Bob-where did you find this..Jesus cried out "TETELESTAI" (It is finished; paid in full) with a loud voice, then said "PATER, EIS CHEIRAS SOU PARA-THASOMAI TO PNEUMA MOU." (Father, into your hands I will commit my spirit)
    Because in John 19:30 When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.
    It doesn't say in a loud voice in the King James. I am gonna have my bases covered when I give my step-son the answer! Even if I have to spend $500 to get all the interpretive versions.

    BTW-not only am I going to discuss this with him but he will get to read these when he comes over again.

    §hawna
     
    #7 shawna w, Apr 11, 2004
  8. blackbird

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    Diane--I've used the same sort of illustration--except I used spectators at a ball game---one in the west side stands--one in the east side stands--one in the North End Zone and the last in the South End Zone---all four see the same touchdown---but from four different angles---some are close to the action---some far away but all see the same!! But from different angles----

    Good illustration you used, though! Thanks!
    Brother David
     
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  9. I Am Blessed 24

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    Good illustrations!

    I had told Shawna that nothing in the Bible contradicts itself (which she already knew).

    The illustration I use is, if I tell each of my four kids the same thing - by the time they tell someone else, it will be from their own perspective and may not sound exactly the same.

    Thus - different words - same meaning...
     
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  10. shawna w

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    I was raised in a Baptist Church and school. Even with all the teaching and preaching, I knew Jesus said all those things but never really had a conversation about it. We were taught and preached too but I don't remember many conversations. When my step-son dared to challenge me (lol) I was truly at a loss. Because ya know with me in all my infinate wisdom just didn't know the answer! He is tricky that one! He always leaves me thinking and researching. That is good though and gives me more time in the Bible too. It is a win win situation. Esp. now when I can consult soooo many Christians instantly!

    §hawna
     
    #10 shawna w, Apr 12, 2004
  11. Trotter

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    Shawna,

    Check out Charles Swindoll's book "The Darkness and the Dawn". It is an awesome read, and covers from the Last Suppper through the resurrection. Each of the seven sayings from the cross is covered in detail (a chapter for each), as well as the major players involved. Definately worth a look.

    In Christ,
    Trotter
     
    #11 Trotter, Apr 12, 2004
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