I have never been more proud of my country...

Discussion in 'Politics' started by KenH, Jun 3, 2008.

  1. KenH

    KenH
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2002
    Messages:
    32,485
    Likes Received:
    0
    than I am tonight. For the first time in our history a candidate with a major African-American ancestry will secure enough delegates to win the nomination of a major political party. When I was a young child the Civil Rights Act was passed into law in 1964 and the Voting Rights Act was passed into law in 1965. At that point in time I never dreamed of this moment that will take place tonight. In just over four decades we have made gargantuan strides in race relations in the United States.

    Take a bow, America. You've done yourself proud and earned the admiration of the world yet again! :applause:
     
  2. Magnetic Poles

    Magnetic Poles
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2005
    Messages:
    10,407
    Likes Received:
    0
    Indeed. The halting steps of progress and equality continue their march, despite those who are afraid of anything but the status quo. Sometimes progress is made with two steps forward and one step back, but the direction is ahead. Prejudices and hatred are the tools of the fearful. I congratulate the Democratic Party for making history, with the first serious woman to be a contender, and for the first African-American nominee. We have had black mayors, senators, congresspersons, and I am sure that Barack Obama will serve America proudly as her 44th President should he defeat John McCain in November. Someday we'll look back at this historic time and wonder what all the fuss was about.
     
  3. Palatka51

    Palatka51
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 25, 2007
    Messages:
    3,724
    Likes Received:
    0
    History yes, but I have always been proud of my country.
     
  4. Pastor Larry

    Pastor Larry
    Expand Collapse
    <b>Moderator</b>
    Moderator

    Joined:
    May 4, 2001
    Messages:
    21,763
    Likes Received:
    0
    Why does this make you proud? I have no problem with a black person being elected to any office, and would gladly vote for any one of a number of them.

    This does not make me particularly proud for a number of reasons.

    1. In order to have the first black nominee, we have had to scrape the very bottom of the barrel of big-government liberalism.
    2. In order to have the first black nominee, we have seen millions of people vote based on color rather than on ideas.
    3. It is still being cast as a "black thing." Why isn't Obama just an American? The constant discussion of it actually furthers the problem because it encourages people to think in categories of race.

    BTW, I remind you Ken that "America" has nothing to take a bow over. This nomination of Obama was a very small percentage of Americans, and was very closely divided. In other words, the vast majority of America did not vote for Obama.

    I think race will get better when people quit talking about it and start treating people like people rather than genetic compilations.

    This nation should absolutely not elect Obama, and not because he's black ... because he is a poor choice.
     
  5. ajg1959

    ajg1959
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2007
    Messages:
    1,383
    Likes Received:
    0
    I am part black myself, and I still dont like/trust him.

    His race is of no concern of mine, his radical politics are.

    AJ
     
    #5 ajg1959, Jun 3, 2008
    Last edited by a moderator: Jun 3, 2008
  6. ajg1959

    ajg1959
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2007
    Messages:
    1,383
    Likes Received:
    0

    I agree 100%.

    If Colin Powell or JC Watts were running, then it would be a different story. I would back them in a heartbeat because of what they stand for, not because of their race. And maybe even Condi Rice.

    AJ
     
  7. Danger Dog

    Danger Dog
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jun 1, 2008
    Messages:
    16
    Likes Received:
    0
    Read this article and see if pride turns to concern!

    >>>Grant Swank May/2008

    Obama denies that he is Muslim. That must make American Muslims feel quite comfortable.

    He informs media that he is "Christian" though his ethical positions do not square with the Word of God, particularly his support for human stem cell research, sodomy and killing womb infants.

    Theologians in the know categorize Obama as a liberal religionist rather than a biblical Christian. He cannot have it both ways — that is, claim to be "Christian" while slicing up the Christian's holy Book.

    In fact, Obama stresses that he is Christian in order to gain acceptance in America so that he can make it to the White House. He thought his membership in the ultra-liberal United Church of Christ would help.

    Now we know that his alliance with a blackist racist Jeremiah Wright has done Obama no favors. He is linked with blackism and anti-Jew for Wright blasted both whites and Jews, siding with Muslims and black revolutionists.

    As to Obama being Muslim, his father was Muslim, he was schooled in a strict Muslim school as a child, he has alliances with Muslim leaders in America and Africa. His cousin is a legalistic Muslim who ran for Kenyan presidency, promising to install the dreaded sharia so-called "legal and justice system" of the Koran.

    He may say that he disavows Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam now but why is it only now that he does that? He was in the same cadre with Farrakhan types for the past years, particularly under the tutoring of pro-Farrakhan Wright.

    Obama has Nation of Islam members on his Congressional and campaign staffs. He planned alongside Farrakhan and Wright for the 1995 Muslim Million Man March on Washington DC.

    Obama allowed himself to be dressed as a Muslim while in Kenya, recited a Muslim prayer honoring Allah as the only true deity, and stated that reciting the ritual gave him immense peace.

    A Christian does not witness to Allah as being the power God. Obama did just that.


    America's religious tolerance is working against the Republic regarding Obama's lie. Obama, of course, is mandated by Allah to lie for that is a virtue in Islam when furthering Islam World Rule. Obama lies every day with one goal — White House residency.

    Obama is Muslim. The number of Americans sizing him up as same must increase from one in 10. I pray it will be 10 in 10.

    He's lived twenty years with a cultic preacher who has proclaimed hate against America.

    Jeremiah Wright has contexted that hatred against whites, but when you get right down to his rants, they are hatred against America, disrespect for America, slamming America for being responsible for 9 / 11 and so forth.

    A Muslim hates America, has no regard for its Constitution, its history and is an anarchist at heart. Wright's sermons border on if not endorse outright anarchism as blackism.

    Obama as a Muslim agreed with Wright.

    Second, Obama is a liberal to the nth degree, the left of the left in Congress. That would fit a Muslim who is for death bottom line: death to unborn babies, death to biblical definition of family and marriage, death to Judeo-Christian backdrop, death to freedom of religious expression, death to biblical morality.

    Muslims live to die. They embrace death as the final glory offering to Allah.

    Third, Obama does not regard the Jesus of the Bible as his Jesus. If Obama did so, he would live by Jesus' ethic which does not include abortion and homosexual open recreation.

    Muslims accept Jesus but not the Jesus of the Bible. To Muslims Jesus is a prophet, not the incarnate deity of the Bible. Therefore, Obama is right in line with the Muslim definition of Jesus as he proclaims that he met Jesus in an epiphany at his Chicago church.

    Obama does not know his Bible as a biblical Christian knows his Bible. When asked what the Bible says about homosexual lifestyles, Obama told the inquirer to check out the Sermon on the Mount. That passage in Matthew 5-7 says nothing about homosexuality.

    Fourth, Obama promises "change" and "unite." ...
     
  8. Magnetic Poles

    Magnetic Poles
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2005
    Messages:
    10,407
    Likes Received:
    0
    DD, this same old "Obama is a Muslim" is the same old lies and garbage that have already been hashed a gazillion times on here. You may want to use search before you post.

    Secondly, even if he were (which he is not) a Muslim or just plain "not a Christian", so what. The Constitution of the United States of America, arguably the most significant document of self-government devised by human beings, forbids religious tests for public office.
     
  9. Alcott

    Alcott
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Dec 17, 2002
    Messages:
    7,456
    Likes Received:
    93
    Constitutionally, no religious test is allowed in regard to election or appointment to a public office, but in the minds of many voters there may be such a test for his/her vote, and it is perfectly legitimate. For President, there is, of course, a test of land position at time of birth. If a Mexican woman was trying to cross the border before giving birth-- as is sometimes done because of the constitutional definition of citizenship-- and she makes it and her baby is born, then s/he can become POTUS; but if she is nabbed and doesn't make it, s/he cannot, even if she were to move permanently into the US right after the birth. Don't we have a real common-sense constitution?
     
  10. ajg1959

    ajg1959
    Expand Collapse
    Banned

    Joined:
    Jun 26, 2007
    Messages:
    1,383
    Likes Received:
    0
    The reason it forbids religious tests is because we have atheists, muslims, jews, buddists, ect living in this country, and it protects the rights of everyone. Agreed.

    But, since we are Christians, and not one of the other religions, dont we have a Christian and moral obligation to try to put the most godly, chirstian man in the white house as possible?

    There are alot of things that our laws allow so as to include everyone, such as legal beer joints, legal gambling, legal strip joints, legal abortions, ect.......does that mean it is ok for us as christians to partake of them? Just because the law allows? God forbid!!!! ( I borrowed that from Paul):thumbs:

    No.....a lot of christians need to stop using the separation of church and state as an excuse to support ungodly candidates, or at least the ones that support unbiblical policys...like abortion and gay rights.

    AJ
     
  11. carpro

    carpro
    Expand Collapse
    Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Oct 14, 2004
    Messages:
    20,911
    Likes Received:
    295
    What you see as history making, I see as a matter of course.

    I have always been proud of my country.

    I couldn't care less what the rest of the world thinks about who we select to run for president.

    Regardless of the color of his skin, Obama is just another far left appeasement minded liberal. His "Christian" character is more than questionable.

    As president, if elected, he will be a financial, moral, and national security disaster.
     
  12. Dragoon68

    Dragoon68
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Nov 30, 2003
    Messages:
    4,511
    Likes Received:
    0
    But, Ken, remember this guy is half white so is he really an African-American?

    I don't give a flip what the world thinks! That doesn't even enter in to my evaluation!

    Regardless it doesn't change what he would do as President and there's not even a speck of good news in that thought to be happy about. His track record as Senator - as short as it is - foretells what he'd like to do and it's not good for America.
     
    #12 Dragoon68, Jun 3, 2008
    Last edited by a moderator: Jun 3, 2008
  13. tinytim

    tinytim
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/tim2.jpg>

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2003
    Messages:
    11,250
    Likes Received:
    0
    Ken, you sound like Michelle Obama...

    And I think it is sad that it takes tonight, the beginning of the end, to be the benchmark of your pride for America...

    What we witnessed tonight is a very eloquent and smart politician playing a political game. He has been groomed for tonight. He has been groomed to be THE perfect candidate....

    The real questions are who is behind him, and why did the Democrat powers that be turn against the Clinton machine?

    Obama is polished... He is eloquent.. He can work a crowd... and one of the best speakers I have ever heard...

    He has been prepared for now.. and when the fulness of time has come, he is stepping into his destiny.

    I truly believe that we saw the next President of the United States tonight.. (Well duh.. gotta be one of them huh!!) I mean Obama.

    He has the Charisma that will win over the very elect...

    What we saw tonight was historical... the beginning of the end.
     
  14. Magnetic Poles

    Magnetic Poles
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2005
    Messages:
    10,407
    Likes Received:
    0
    Of what? The 2008 election?
     
  15. Andre

    Andre
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2005
    Messages:
    1,870
    Likes Received:
    0
    Agree. In the efforts to carpet-bomb Mr. Obama, his critics are making claims that really are contradictory.

    The moment that I see serious Muslims demanding liberal abortion laws or parading in the streets for same sex marriage, then perhaps one can assert that Mr. Obama can support these 2 causes (which he clearly does) and yet also be a Muslim.

    I think that Christians can and should allow knowledge of the candidate's religious values to inform their voting decisions. Are you suggesting otherwise? I doubt that you are, but I just want to check.
     
  16. KenH

    KenH
    Expand Collapse
    Active Member

    Joined:
    May 18, 2002
    Messages:
    32,485
    Likes Received:
    0
    1. I know that Senator Obama is half-European-American. That is why I said "major African-American ancestry".

    2. I very carefully said "I have never been more proud of my country" clearly indicating that there are other times when I have been equally as proud of my country as I am tonight to go along with those times when I am just plum proud of my country.
     
  17. tinytim

    tinytim
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/tim2.jpg>

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2003
    Messages:
    11,250
    Likes Received:
    0
    And that's why I used the word "benchmark"


    Apparently tonight met your benchmark...

    One thing I do agree with BO on is the NO child left behind funding...
     
  18. tinytim

    tinytim
    Expand Collapse
    <img src =/tim2.jpg>

    Joined:
    Oct 31, 2003
    Messages:
    11,250
    Likes Received:
    0
    The beginning of the end....

    Just another way of saying...

    Tomorrow is the first day of the rest of your life....

    It just sounds so negatively poetic to say, beginning of the end....
     
  19. Magnetic Poles

    Magnetic Poles
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    May 16, 2005
    Messages:
    10,407
    Likes Received:
    0
    Of course I am not suggesting otherwise. People can use any criteria they like...even if it's something like eye color or the shape of a candidates shoes. It doesn't mean they are making a wise choice, however.
     
  20. Andre

    Andre
    Expand Collapse
    New Member

    Joined:
    Jan 22, 2005
    Messages:
    1,870
    Likes Received:
    0
    Are you suggesting that it is not "wise" to use a candidate's religious views into account when deciding who to vote for?
     

Share This Page

Loading...